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Randy: Just maybe you should have told him horse power is not the main criteria when it comes to pulling a plow. I have no quarrel with what you told butch's kid however many of the 33 hp tractors of today are much lighter than a Farmall M. Plowing has more to do with weight or in the case of a 3 point hitch plow, weight transfer. Traction is the answer. I pulled 5x16 with a 656, I doubt if it was much heavier than most working M's, as it had no wheel weights or liquid weight. The plow was a semi-mount and the weight transfer was tremendous. Those IH lower link sencing hitches of the 60s and 70s were unmatched for weight transfer. You could even feel it in the tractor seat. Had that plow been trailer, I doubt if I could have added enough weight to the 656 to pull that plow. I know when I bought my 656 it came with farm land, and that farmer had been pulling a 4x16 trailer plow with 656 and it was loaded to limit with chloride. The former owner told me the 4x16 trailer was load enough and ocasionally too much. He also had a 3x16 trailer he pulled with 504. If conditions were bad like wet and greasy, quite often the 504 got parked and they pulled 3x16 with 656. I had the same type of option, as I had a 1066 at the time that could have pulled that 5x16 had the going got tough. I cant remember plowing with 1066 for that reason, in fact after the first time I hooked 656 to that plow, I don't ever remember backing 1066 up to the plow again. To Butch's kid, there is more to plowing than horse power. Most 33 hp tractors built in the past 30 years would require 3 point or 4 wheel drive to pull 3 bottoms.
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