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The lost wheel

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Michael Soldan

06-22-2006 16:25:08




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welp, I lost a wheel on the hay wagon comimg home from another farm, loaded with rounds of course. I was about 500 yards from my gate and the way traffic was sizzling past I decided that it would ride the hub to my yard. I just built the wagon and had the wheels off for painting, put them back on with an impact. Looks like they just worked out, only two of eight were on the tarmack. I am carefull with wheels, always check, check tire pressure, make sure the slow moving vehicle signs are on..this one was a surprise as I was positive everything was on tight. It looks like the two I found took some threads with them when they came out of the hub. A job for the morning as if I wasn't busy enough. so may I remind everyone to...ah...er well..check your nuts!..... .Mike in Exeter Ontario

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hayray

06-23-2006 17:16:27




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-22-2006 16:25:08  
I bought a round baler on the other side of the state from me once and insisted the guy put a newer tire on for me if I bought it, he put it on with a impact. I was cruising down a state highway and saw the wheel fly by going about 80. I never did find the wheel.



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Cliff Neubauer

06-23-2006 09:44:23




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-22-2006 16:25:08  
I had that happen to me a few years ago driving through town with a pair of 325 bushel gravity boxes loaded with corn. The left rear wheel on the back wagon fell off and I didn't know it until it passed me rolling down the street. When I saw the tire and rim pass me I thought some poor guy must have lost a wheel and it took me a second to figure out that it had to be mine even though I never felt anything when the wagon dropped. The hub on the wagon left a nice groove in the street for about a block before I got it over to the side of the road. My brother had just changed that tire and put it back on with our air impact but they must not have gotten very tight because it fell off within six miles of home. I'm just glad the tire rolled past the tractor or else I would have driven another six blocks to the elevator before knowing anything was wrong.

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Don-Wi

06-22-2006 22:21:12




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-22-2006 16:25:08  
I had a similar experience once, I was pulling a load of big square bales home after a guy bought some hay for us at the auction barn. I was about 1 mile from home (30 miles 1 way) going up a hill, when all of a sudden I heard something like a steel drum under the wagon. I stopped to look, and the right rear tire was gone!! The 6 studs all snapped off inside the hub and the tire shot across the oncoming lane (yeah, it went to the far side of the wagon) and came to rest in a neighbor's driveway.

We ended up calling another neighbor with a pay-loader and he helped us gimp it into a parking lot where I jacked it up and took off the hub, replaced the studs and put it back together. of course this wasn't our wagon so I used the same old crappy bearings and left the owner a note to replace them. (left the busted studs in a baggy)

He called us back wanting to know what happened and when I told him where we were from, he about went ballistic because he took the chance at an auction that his wagon might go a good distance to be unloaded....

I doubt he even touched the bearings, or that he even checked the other studs before loading it up for the next auction.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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jra

06-22-2006 20:39:43




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-22-2006 16:25:08  
If the holes in the rim are woren to much it's hard to keep them tight.



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old

06-22-2006 19:06:58




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-22-2006 16:25:08  
Guess you just have to thank Murphy and his law. If you don't have bad luck you never have any if your like me. I did get luky today and pulled a JD-14T some 50-60 mile with out any trouble other then the rain storm I drove through getting to it, and then almost no rain on the way back



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Hugh MacKay

06-22-2006 16:54:28




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-22-2006 16:25:08  
Mike: The only nuts I'm checking on are a couple of friends, over 60, that drove 200 miles to an auto race, only to stand around all day in 100 degree temps.

Definately a young man's game. They have been rather scarce since in their lobster costumes.



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DickTN

06-22-2006 16:45:25




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-22-2006 16:25:08  
"I put them back on with an impact." I don't know about hay wagons, but I do know that it is very possible to overtorque nuts when using an impact wrench. You state that some threads were pulled out of the hub which kind of makes me think the nuts were overtorqued to the point of near-failure of the studs. Might want to lighten up on that impact a bit. Hope the repair goes smoothly.



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Michael Soldan

06-22-2006 17:06:46




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to DickTN, 06-22-2006 16:45:25  
Hi Dick, yes you can over torque wheel nuts. When I worked in my friend's auto shop we had a set of torque shafts that were colour coded for various applications, they would only tighten to specs , then flex if you tried to turn them more. I am suspicious about my wagon because one front wheel had studs through the hub and jam nits on the end, I'm wondering if someone before me had over torqued the studs and thats why they came out with threads..could have been me but I was gentle with the impact, will be checking them all in the morning..Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Leroy

06-23-2006 05:25:30




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-22-2006 17:06:46  
Those torque shafts or sticks as the local tire store calls them will OVER torque the bolts, they want to use them all the time andthey are always over torqued so much that with a 1/2" breaker bar I have busted several sockets trying to get them loose and then I have to use a 2 foot cheater bar to get them loose and this is on a car, not a truck, no way will the factory lug wrench loosen them. I always try to loosen them as soon as possible and correctly retighten them so when (and I said when - not if) I have to change a tire on the road I can. I have had to replace 2 tires in last week because of busted belts and a flat just a couple of weeks before from a screw. I am probably the tire shops most frequent customer and many a time I have had to go back in and have them loosen them to proper torque so I can work on the car. I travel 140+ mile a day 6 days a week on a rual newspaper delivery route. And I have lost a wheel hnder a hopper full of grain on the road, the studs pulled most of the threads out of the hub, just enough left to get them back in in a longer version and put a lock nut on inside of hub.

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RodInNS

06-22-2006 21:35:50




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 Re: The lost wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-22-2006 17:06:46  
Mabey it's just dumb luck, but I've yet to have a stud or nut strip on me under the gun. If I over tighten them, they snap off like a carrot. Simple fix too. Slap a new stud in, and tighten not so much. The only wheels I've ever lost were from hand tightening and torquing with a torque wrench. Almost lost a set of duals off the ton one day that were torqued. Personally, I slap them up tight with the gun, every time.

Rod

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