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If it's too late for corn, what next?

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jayelgert

06-21-2006 13:43:35




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Maybe oats would be a better choice? Maybe I could plant a nice field of oats and either bale it off, or plow it under for green fertilizer. What do you think? I don't even have any idea what oat seed goes for, but I'm sure I'll find out soon enough. I had an old farmer from up the road tell me before he died, not to spend the money on buying seed oats for green fertilizer. He told me if that's all I was doing, to just buy feed grade oats and seed it heavy. What are your thoughts on that?

Can someone explain the benefit to winter wheat? I have always planted rye and just plowed it under in the spring. Basically a cover crop.

I just don't want to have the fields sit open, I get a huge tax break being listed as a farm, and the city uses every chance they get to say I'm no longer a working farm, not to mention I'm grandfathered in an area where farming is no longer allowed. I only plant the corn to keep the fields working, and keeping from having to cut them all summer for weed control. My farm has been in the family for just over 100 years, and right now for me, it's more of a hobby than it is a money maker. I own a machine shop and run that during the day, I don't get to relax until I get home and start to work around the farm.

Thank you all for your input and help.

Jay

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RandyWi

06-23-2006 13:05:16




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
Not sure if this would make it for you or not but if your looking to put some N back in,,, have been checking into crown vetch a bit. sounds pretty good.
just a thought,
Randy



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FrenzFarms

06-22-2006 21:16:53




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
I guess I'd be inclined to know what equipment you have available to you. Some of these guys are saying hay, corn, beans, millet, and maybe even some catnip.

If you're farming 8 acres, how are you set for harvesting and planting equipment? If you're doing it for fun... replant the corn and forget it.

I replanted corn yesterday and I'm in South Central Ohio. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Just enjoy yourself. I'm sure the machine shop will keep your farm afloat for a while longer.

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jayelgert

06-23-2006 10:12:25




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to FrenzFarms, 06-22-2006 21:16:53  
Hi there Frenz, I'm getting back to you about the equipment I have to use.

I have full tillage equipment, I have two corn planters, a large funnel type seed or fertilizer type spreader.

I have to plant a small plot of corn to sell with my Pumpkins as decorations anyway, but I don't want to do the full 8 acres of it to find out if was waisted my time on it for feed value.

Some suggested Pumpkins, and that's what I planted for years, but I started to get a ton of Bacterial Wilt and Powdery Mildew problems, and it got to where I was spraying every week. It because too much of a pain, and then I found a large wholesale pumpkin farm north of here, and I can but my pumpkins cheaper that growing them with all the spraying costs ect.

I'm not so much looking to make money from what I plant. Like I said, it's a hobby, but I also don't want something I have to spray or mess with every weekend.

I buy my hay from a farmer down the street, and can work something out with him to bale anything I need.

The thing that I have a hard time explaining to many people is, with farms being something of the past around here, buying seed for some of what has been suggested is a chore. Like someone said, I asked for soybean seed one year, figuring I would plant it, and then let the goats graze them off, and the seed place looked at me like I had three heads.

I bought a bag of buckwheat here one year also as a summer cover crop on one small plot, they hit me $95 for a 50# bag. I'll never do that again.

The thought of planting a legume to put some nitrogen back into the soils catches my interest the most. Corn on corn has taken it's tole on the soil.

I'm sort of leaning toward buying some feed oats, seeding them real heavy and letting them go, but I just don't know if it's the right choice.

Jay

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MLD

06-22-2006 06:43:56




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
If you want a crop to harvest, I would pick soybeans. You can plant now & with alittle rain, harvest this fall. Their are people in my area now cutting wheat & oats, & coming right back with no-till beans. I don't recommend double cropping.... but they do it alot. One nice thing about beans is you have the option to drill or plant in rows.



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kyhayman

06-22-2006 04:34:36




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
Pearl millet is still a viable option for hay or silage, mixing some forage type soybeans in it would add protein and volume.



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davpal

06-22-2006 00:42:02




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
Winter wheat would be a great crop for you to grow. The seed is fairly cheap and it really does pretty well just about everywhere. You could even bale the straw and make a lot of money if you have a place to store it. That could be your niche if you live close to a lot of rich yuppies and are the only farm around. Grow pumpkins and have a stand that sells them for $5-$10 dollars each or let them pick their own pumpkins. Sell the straw from the wheat to the rich horse owners in your area. Get it off the field before it gets any rain on it and it will be beautiful and gold and bring a very good price per bale. To answer your question as "what is the benefit of wheat"? Well, you can grind it down into flour and make some bread! Good luck, just keep the farm tradition in your area going.

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RandyWi

06-22-2006 08:48:32




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to davpal, 06-22-2006 00:42:02  
Davpal,
Kinda looking at the same problem here in southern wisconsin. If winter wheat was planted now,, would it be able to be harvested in fall?
Could you tell me how long winter wheat would take?
Thanks for any and all help
Randy



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Don-Wi

06-22-2006 22:33:05




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to RandyWi, 06-22-2006 08:48:32  
I can't say a thing about winter wheat, but last year we planted one small corner feild we have (about 1 1/2 acres) with oats rather late in the season, and we still managed to almost fill our small gravity box with it. We bale atleats 1 load of oat straw every year and sell it to the flower shop that my mom works at.

We sell it for $3.00/short bale. We make them shorter to get more bales out of it, and they don't care, they actually were happy with the idea. They mark it up and sell it for around $5.99-$6.99.

I do believe there is a different wheat out there that doesn't have to winter over.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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RandyWi

06-23-2006 07:08:26




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to Don-Wi, 06-22-2006 22:33:05  
Don,, How late is late? I planted oats and alfalfa mid may and right now the alfalfa is not a whole lot shorter then the oats. We were hoping for some straw out of this for the winter but,,,,, ,,
where in wisconsin are you?
Were over in Lake Mills,,
Randy



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Don-Wi

06-23-2006 07:38:30




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to RandyWi, 06-23-2006 07:08:26  
We've planted near the end of may and still had good results, the one small feild I mentioned before I think was planted in early June. With the alfalfa in there it'll have to be swathed before combining or it'll be a bear. The guy we have do it has a big Case combine and he snapped a belt one year trying to run it straight off the feild. With a swather you can cut it really short too, where as when we had him take it right off the feild he clipped it as tall as he could and still get the grain, which left too much stubble in the feild and would choke out spots here & there.

Once it's dry enough to bale or chop, you can't even tell the other stuff is in there. It just looks like nice gold straw.

We're in Kaukauna, between Appleton and Green Bay.


Donovan from Wisconsin

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davpal

06-24-2006 23:52:25




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to Don-Wi, 06-23-2006 07:38:30  
My brother lived in Kaukauna for a while and now he is in Appleton. Oh, I loved the smell of that paper plant over in Kaukauna. Actually it probably smells like money to the people around there working at it! Nice looking area around there. Only a hop and a jump to Green Bay too. Later.



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davpal

06-22-2006 10:14:41




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to RandyWi, 06-22-2006 08:48:32  
No, can't harvest the winter wheat in the fall.It has to spend the winter dormant and then comes back in the spring and starts growing. I think that is the way it has to work. You usually plant it about a month before the ground freezes maybe in late octobor or early november after you harvest corn or soybeans and then it is ready in the middle of july here in michigan, so it takes about 9 months around here. You could probably get away with oats though. You plant them in the spring and harvest in the fall of the same year. Good luck!

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msb

06-21-2006 21:03:22




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
Not too late for sweet corn.Any charities you could donate it to? Boy Scouts? Homeless?



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paul

06-21-2006 21:01:12




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
If the oats catches a rain after you plant it, you can get hay out of it. It likes cool damp weather to get a real crop out of it, you will only be getting a 1/2 crop of 20 lb test weight if you try to combine it. But for hay.....

Soybeans would be my choice 'here' but you said don't work there.

Any old oats will do for hay.

I would look at putting a plowdown blend with it, clover, cheap alfalfa, etc. If you have been running corn on corn on corn, your ground will welcome the break. Put a good legume down. You could hay it later, let the legume grow, plow it down in spring & gain 80 lbs or more of N for your soil. Anyhow, that works 'here' and works well.

--->Paul

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edchainsaw

06-21-2006 18:57:21




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
we've planted beans here until july 5th -- but some guys make the mistake of planting early season beans late.... thats the mistake.. the longer the season bean the longer they put on pods... so in a short season.. plant long.



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JMS/MN

06-21-2006 17:18:50




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
First of all - you don't say what part of the country you are in- that makes a big difference. Best bet is to check with local seed dealers. It is mid-June, and I've had to replant at this time of year, due to chemical kill. Others did due to other reasons, flooding, etc. Some corn varieties are 75, 78, 80 days and would still have time to mature. Your dealer should know what is suitable for your area, considering the average killing frost. Oats is a cool season crop- likes cold and wet springs- not hot summers. Ten days ago, peas came off here, and soybeans are sprouting in those fields. I've planted beans as late as June 30 (Evans variety- good in N. MN.), and they matured. Local dealers are your best resource- not 'us', scattered around.

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jayelgert

06-22-2006 08:34:54




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to JMS/MN, 06-21-2006 17:18:50  
Sorry for the confusion, this was a follow up post from one asking if it were too late to plant my corn for this year, I think it's on page two now. I'm located in Connecticut.

To all of those that recommended beans, I called my seed dealer here, and he said that people in CT don't plant soybeans, so finding seed is going to be a problem. If he had to bring it in special for me, he was going to have to charge me a bunch of money.

I should also add here, I'm talking about a plot of 8 acres here that's being planted.

Thanks again for all the help.

Jay

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J Schwiebert

06-21-2006 15:51:00




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
A few years ago it very wet very late here in northwest Ohio. A friend of mine finished planting a field of corn on July 1 as well as the last field of beans. He told me several times the corn turned out better than the beans. It all depends on the fall. I can home on a business trip last Friday and south of me there were a lot of farmers replanting or planting for the first time.



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hd6gtom

06-21-2006 15:16:34




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
Sow buckwheat and get a beekeeper to put some hives on your place. Dont let it go to seed, as soon as it is done flowering plow it under. Very good green manu. Sow anytime after July 1st and before july 15th depending where you are at.



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cockshuttguy

06-21-2006 14:22:32




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
Buckwheat on the 4th. of July, wet or dry.
Don't let it go to seed. Good weed control and good green plowdown.



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Joe in IN

06-21-2006 14:07:37




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to jayelgert, 06-21-2006 13:43:35  
What about Milo or Canola? You could raise it for birdseed if there is a market for it. Or it is a cover for birds and food for many animals. Not sure where you are located..



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Illinois Boy

06-21-2006 14:40:54




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to Joe in IN, 06-21-2006 14:07:37  
Soybeans will still work!!



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BigMarv1085

06-21-2006 15:28:20




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 Re: If it's too late for corn, what next? in reply to Illinois Boy, 06-21-2006 14:40:54  
Can buckwheat be cut for hay.



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