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Sickle Bar angle

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Pete in PA

06-20-2006 08:56:27




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Hi All,

I just bought an International McCormick 120 balanced head sickle bar at auction. Got it hooked up, etc, etc without problems. My question is, are the hydrolics supposed to raise the bar angle from flat to various angles up to 90 degrees, or are the hydrolics supposed to simply lift the cutting bar horizontally off the ground a foot or so? I really want to be able to control the angle of the bar from the tractor seat via hydrolics so that I might cut right up to an obstacle, then lift the bar to 90 degrees, drive past, then drop the bar again.

Is this a reasonable thing to ask for?
Please help - thanks!

Pete in PA

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Sam#3

06-20-2006 17:42:43




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to Pete in PA, 06-20-2006 08:56:27  
I guess it depends on the make and model but the road department around here uses one that will cut when vertical. A couple years ago I saw one at an auction mounted on an Super A Farmall and called a 'balanced head' that would lift and cut vertical. I think 'balanced head' is a trademark of International Harvester for their pitmanless mower.



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Gumby

06-20-2006 13:05:21




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to Pete in PA, 06-20-2006 08:56:27  
I just fixed up a 120 Balanced Head myself in the last month.

The hydraulic cylinder with lift the bar about 18"-20" off the ground. You would need to add some other mechanism to get the bar to raise to 90 deg. to go past some obstacle. The mower in theory would be able to handle the change in bar angle, but it doesn't have the capability from the factory. IH did make a rod for road transport that would keep the bar verticle. You could use the mower like that to cut bushes or light brush, like you might have along a fence row.

Is yours a semi-mounted type?

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PeteInPA

06-20-2006 20:29:30




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to Gumby, 06-20-2006 13:05:21  
Hey All,

Thanks for all your replies! This is a pitmanless mower - 100% belt drive, so it will cut at any angle, and if I start towards a hill, the mower blade wil ride up the incline, and cut at near 90 degree angles w/no problem. What I"m trying to get it to do, is mow flat for a while, then lift just the arm up to 90 degrees to pass trees, etc. Also, I want to use it to hedgerow, as was mentioned below. I"d rather not modify the 120 too much, but I"m willing to if necessary. It"s a semi-mount on the drawbar, currently being pulled by my 1940 H. Winch idea might work, although the tractor is still the original 6V and I"d hoped not to have to modify the tractor.

hmmm...
Thanks
Pete

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Nat 2

06-20-2006 11:29:12




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to Pete in PA, 06-20-2006 08:56:27  
If it doesn't tilt the bar now, it probably wasn't designed to.

Even if you could rig up a second cylinder to tilt the bar, it may not work well because of the way the cutter bar is driven. You'd have to shut the PTO off every time you lift and lower, which is a PITA if you're running an old tractor like an H or an M. Trying to tilt the bar while it's running will cause the mechanism to beat itself to a quick and painful death.

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Dick Kline

06-20-2006 09:13:46




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to Pete in PA, 06-20-2006 08:56:27  
The balanced head mower I used as a boy would lift horizontaly a foot or so and then stand up straight. I don't remember the number but it was a mid mount on a 504 utility



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MLD

06-20-2006 09:12:28




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to Pete in PA, 06-20-2006 08:56:27  
I've never seen a sickle in action that would go 90. They usually just pickup to go over the cut material. Good Luck!!



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jossette

06-20-2006 17:42:47




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 Re: never seen one? til now in reply to MLD, 06-20-2006 09:12:28  
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Went to Sams Club and got a winch kit with everything you need to lift that bar 90 degrees and then some. Works great on my MM UM-5, but I have all the heavy tubing to support it.

Good luck



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wh

06-20-2006 12:10:02




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to MLD, 06-20-2006 09:12:28  
new holland 450/451 will cut from 90* up to 15* below level with no problem. they are belt driven. i have a 450 to mow road/ditch banks with and it is a mowing fool.



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IH Forever

06-20-2006 09:20:39




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to MLD, 06-20-2006 09:12:28  
It won't do what your asking unless you plan to modify it somehow.



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wh

06-20-2006 16:14:41




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to IH Forever, 06-20-2006 09:20:39  
the new hollands will. if you are mowing flat land and it can follow the contour to 90* (such as coming to a road/ditch bank) it will flex/float to and follow the contour.



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Illinois Boy

06-20-2006 13:11:00




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to IH Forever, 06-20-2006 09:20:39  
I've never seen one that will raise to 90 degrees - about 20 or so is it...



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Illinois Boy

06-20-2006 13:12:06




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to Illinois Boy, 06-20-2006 13:11:00  
Correction - mine will come up to 90 degress if I LIFT it up to transport position... :)



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Brian G. NY

06-20-2006 17:18:09




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to Illinois Boy, 06-20-2006 13:12:06  
The 82S side mounted sickle bar on my Allis WD-45 will mow from 45 deg below level to 90 deg up. I have the hydraulics "tuned" so that it will lift to 90 deg. Sure is handy when mowing around apple trees and such. The 80 and 82 series A-C mowers are of the twin wheel design and essentially have no pitman arm; only connecting rods. When I was a kid, a neighbor farmer had an 8N Ford with a side mounted sickle bar mower that would lift (and mow) almost to 90 deg vertical. It was able to do so because of a very, very short pitman arm; maybe 10 or 12 inches.

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Kari

06-22-2006 05:52:28




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 Re: Sickle Bar angle in reply to Brian G. NY, 06-20-2006 17:18:09  
Brian - I just purchased an AC80 3r and was wondering if it would lift if you described (I haven't hooked it up yet). What do you mean by 'tuned' the hydraulics?

Kari



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