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The secret to good round bales

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Michael Soldan

06-19-2006 18:50:50




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Welp.we got a New Idea 484 round baler 4x5,and we have played with it experimenting on it and learning. I think the bales are not tight enough, we have pto speed, is our ground speed not packing enough hay through? I'm thinking we need to go up a gear or two. Any comments appreciated...Mike in Exeter Ontario




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Hay DR

06-21-2006 06:33:03




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
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Very simple answer. The bigger and better uniform the windrow the better the bale will be with any baler. Not all baler MFG's are capable of making quality bales when the speed is increased but going too slow with a small windrow will not make a good bale of hay. Going slow with a small windrow will end-up putting too much hay in the center of the bale. Fill the corners and the middle will take care of itself.

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RodInNS

06-20-2006 10:00:52




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
I'm not sure what type of baler that is. However, if it's a fixed chamber type, then slowing the ground speed will do 2 things. Burn more fuel, and stretch the job out. It won't make one particle of difference to bale density. If it's a variable chamber, then slowing down will increase the density.
If it's a fixed chamber, then you probably shouldn't expect to see as tight a bale as was pictured below. Just make sure you feed the outsides of the bale as much as possible. Weave back and forth. That's about as much as you can do. Keep the baler's hydraulics up to snuff and working right. Personally, I don't get too caught up in this tight bale business. Around here, if we can get the hay close to dry, then it's probably going to get baled, as that's about as good as it might get anyway. A tight bale in tough hay isn't an asset. I like the way the Claas leaves a soft core with a fairly hard outer shell. It still sheds moisture, but the center is soft enough to breath. Around here, the tight tight bales are always the ones that mold..... Your call on that one.

Rod

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Case Lady

06-20-2006 07:44:36




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
Keep the RPM's going but cut the ground speed way back; also, there should be a pressure spring with a handle/crank that you can tighten down - check the spring to make sure it is still good. This spring/handle/crank thingy controls how much pressure the baler puts on the area where the bale is actually made - less pressure = everything has more give and moves easier thus the bale isn't as tight. Terms might not be scientific, but I learned this lesson the hard way, take a look at this if the slowing of ground speed doesn't work. Good luck.

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rick YYC

06-20-2006 07:35:25




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
If they are barrel-shaped (smaller diameter on one end or both), try moving side to side a bit as you move down the row. As it was explained to me, feed the windrow in one side of the pickup, then 5 metres along slowly ease over to shift it to the other side and so on.

Otherwise yes, less ground speed for a given rpm usually tightens them up.



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paul

06-20-2006 05:29:21




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
Slow down ground speed = tighter bales - the more it spins the more it packs. However with a soft core baler, you have what you have, they won't ever be 'tight' like a new belt baler can do.

--->Paul



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JMS/MN

06-19-2006 22:57:04




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
I have an older NI baler, a 456,and I've rented a newer one, a 486?- both of them are fixed chamber balers. I'll assume your 484 is also a fixed chamber baler. They make a soft center bale- which allows baling a bit wetter, since the bale can breathe. Older ones, like mine, have a gauge on the baler that indicates pressure. It is what you watch to make a solid bale. I think the one I rented had an in-cab guage, for the same reason. Balers, like any other machine, are made to run at normal pto speed-= either 540 or 1000 rpm. Run it that way while building the bale, and wrapping twine. After wrapping, I always slow the pto to discharge the bale. Ground speed- run as fast as the pickup will take up the hay- Ground speed has nothing to do with how tight the bale ends up being. My 456 relies on the tractor's hydraulic system to hold the rear baler door tight to make a tight bale- while the newer NI balers have a door latch to hold the door while building the bale- and the guage indicates how tight the bale is. Fixed chamber means- when the door is latched, you are dealing with a bale chamber that does not change size, so while the center is soft, and you cram more hay into the chamber, the bale gets tighter. Others, like Vermeer and JD, "store" the belts outside of a variable chamber and maintain the same bale density throughout the bale by 'pulling' the excess belt into the chamber as the bale increases in size. I think NH does the same thing with the chain setup- it's just that they use a chain instead of belts- but theirs is a variable chamber baler. Each has advantages- fixed chamber with the soft center is nice on wet hay so it can breathe and dry - variable chamber gives a bale with uniform density.

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MN Scott

06-19-2006 20:47:41




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
There is only one secret to making good tight bales, a green baler.


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Luke S

06-20-2006 06:28:19




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to MN Scott, 06-19-2006 20:47:41  
Oh please!!! While I'll agree JD makes a good baler, most all of the newer balers will make bales that good. There are some Gehl's, Hesston's, and Vermeer's around here that do just as good as the greenie's, and cost less doing it.



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MN Scott

06-20-2006 19:40:22




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Luke S, 06-20-2006 06:28:19  
Well Gehl no longer makes farm equipment and hesston and vermeer dealers are nonexistant within 40 miles. My Deere dealer is 10 miles away and stocks almost all the parts for balers and if he dosent have the part he can have it the next morning. I put up a lot of hay and can't wait for parts for an off brand machine. So maybe Deere costs more but it pays for itself in up time and at tradein time.

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jossette

06-19-2006 20:55:32




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to MN Scott, 06-19-2006 20:47:41  
doesn't look like you live to far from me



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MN Scott

06-19-2006 20:59:53




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to jossette, 06-19-2006 20:55:32  
About 7 miles south west of Preston MN.



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jossette

06-19-2006 21:05:13




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to MN Scott, 06-19-2006 20:59:53  
Probably live just off of 14 or 12 by Carimona??

I'm north of Albert Lea about 25 miles. But I have been in your neck of woods a few times looking at horse buggys..



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MN Scott

06-19-2006 21:10:48




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to jossette, 06-19-2006 21:05:13  
About 2 1/2 miles south of Carimona in the valley. Our land meets up to 14 on the south end of our farm.



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jossette

06-19-2006 21:17:38




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to MN Scott, 06-19-2006 21:10:48  
If you see any Amish with a doctors buggy or know of shop let me know. I have been going to St. Charles but they are getting a little steep.

thanks



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snappie

06-19-2006 20:12:09




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
increase RPM's, slow down ground speed. makes a big difference with my gehl.



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bgoathill

06-19-2006 20:07:46




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
I have had a 484 for 15 years and I still can't make a decent bale with it. With that soft core you can't ever get it packed tight enough it will always squat. I have run it it till the shear pin breaks and once my dad somehow managed to break the gear box. It helps if the hay is super dry but then it shatters all the leaves off.



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jossette

06-19-2006 19:57:55




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
Can you run a monitor with it???



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Michael Soldan

06-19-2006 20:29:24




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to jossette, 06-19-2006 19:57:55  
Hi Jossette, yes there is a monitor, we are getting the chamber full enough, just doesn't seem tight enough to me, not bad but I think could be better..Mike in Exeter Ontario



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jossette

06-19-2006 20:40:38




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 20:29:24  
we finally went to a 2001 JD belt baler. Boy does that pack it in there. We can and have made bales 1500 pounds and still had lots of room for more. Can't lift anything bigger with what we have. The baler you have is probably shot like ours was. We are glad we traded. Now we need to trade haybines and we will be set for while.



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old

06-19-2006 19:50:43




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 Re: The secret to good round bales in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-19-2006 18:50:50  
Well heres what I know and its not much, but as per the owners manual for my NH850. To make a heavy tight bale you drive slower, if its to heavy/tight increase ground speed. First year I used it I ran in first gear and had bales that my Ford 841 with a heavy duty loader wouldn't pick up. Then the next year I increased ground speed to 2nd and they where a little lighter. Now I use 3rd gear and they are just right. So in you case slow it down.

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