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Setting up sprayer need help

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mnjoe

06-15-2006 20:47:50




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Found a Demco 500 gallon 2 wheeled pull sprayer with 45' boom. Ace centrifugal pto pump, With electric controls for 3 boom sections and pressure. Booms are setup with Quick TeeJet no-drip nozzles. Need help picking spray tips...Which tip is an all-purpose? .Looking to spray Round-up and 2-4-D. What herbicides are post-emerge systemic and contact? What does systemic mean? Thanks (Will have brother-in-law check and help me spray..I will read labels etc,)

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paul

06-16-2006 22:12:31




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 Re: Setting up sprayer need help in reply to mnjoe, 06-15-2006 20:47:50  
Post emerge means you spray after your crop emerges from the ground.

Systemic means the spray gets absorbed & flows through the plant, including the roots, and generally kills the whole plant, roots & all.

Contact sort of has 2 meanings - I've heard it used for Roundup used with a wick applicator - you contact only the weeds with the herbicide....

But generally it means a spray that kills the parts of the plant it contacts - not for sure the roots, or othar parts of the plant.


You would _have_ to list the crop for us to say what herbicides work for it!

Glysophate (active ingredient in Roundup, etc.) kills most anything green & growing that it contacts, unless it is a gmo crop engineered with gene insertion tonot be affected by glysophate.

2,4D comes in 2 flavors - basically oil based or water based - and will kill most broad leafed (not a grass) plants. And can also be very hard on grasses if applied at the wrong time - such as corn, if you apply it after the growing point leaves the ground.

--->Paul

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Jerry/MT

06-16-2006 12:04:30




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 Re: Setting up sprayer need help in reply to mnjoe, 06-15-2006 20:47:50  
You need to size your spray tips by knowing how many gallons of mix per acre you want to spray, the speed you're going to operate at, the boom width and the pressure you're going to operate at.
Get on the web and do a google search and you'll find scads of data and the equations you need to figure out what you need to have. Or call your county extension folks and they can provide the infoor where to find it. It's really not that hard to do. HyPro Pumps has a web page full of info on the subject also.

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RC Farms

06-16-2006 10:20:29




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 Re: Setting up sprayer need help in reply to mnjoe, 06-15-2006 20:47:50  
I had to get a private applicators certification to purchase and apply controlled herbicides and pesticides. Your best bet is to contact you county extension office regarding questions abut specific herbicides and thier applications. COOP's can be helpful but be carefull...and the labels on the Herbicide containers don't always tell you what the mix is(ratio of water to Herbicide)for a ground sprayer. Also the folks that work at the COOP's sometime use info passed on by the Herbicide/Pesticide reps and that could be right or off the mark for your particular application. So check with your Extension office. Read the labels, wear the recommended protective gear, following the mixing directions to the letter...Herbicides are dangerous! Why am I so adomat about that? I'm a Viet Nam vet that suffurs health problems from agent orange. The ingredients are different now..but still dangerous if not handled properly.

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big jt

06-16-2006 22:40:26




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 Re: Setting up sprayer need help in reply to RC Farms, 06-16-2006 10:20:29  
Good response RC. And thanks for serving our country. I know my freedom is anything but free and people like you are owed a great debt by the rest of us.

Also the last sentence in your post says volumes. These chemicals need to be handled with due care. They weren't in times past and some people are now suffering for it. I think the people who don't either didn't get exposed as much or are somewhat more resistant.

I love the city types that rant and rave about farmers wrecking the water. Then they want to use all sorts of stuff on their lawn. You ask them what rate and what the product is and they get a blank look on their face. Then ask them if they are licensed applicators!!!!! Love to do that:-)

Have a good weekend

jt

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K-Mo

06-16-2006 04:47:58




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 Re: Setting up sprayer need help in reply to mnjoe, 06-15-2006 20:47:50  
Try www.teejet.com

K-Mo



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big jt

06-16-2006 01:08:51




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 Re: Setting up sprayer need help in reply to mnjoe, 06-15-2006 20:47:50  
Will try to answer your questions as best as I can. For starters this is kinda late in the season to be learning and setting up a sprayer. That being said I would suggest you check with your local coop and ask to talk with the Agronomy rep. Try to pick a smaller outfit and figure on buying most of your chemicals there. DON'T GO ON A CALM DAY AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, They will be spraying for their customers and won't be real pleased with taking time to teach a newbie when they can be spraying. Try to go on a day when it is either raining or the wind is blowing 40 mile a hour.

That being said 2 4D and Roundup can be handled with the same rig depending on what you intend to do.

Usually Roundup requires a low drift nozzle of some sort. I use TurboTeeJet's. As to nozzle selection there are a bunch of variables that figure into that formula. Spacing, spraying speed, Pressure, and nozzle size. Might want to go to a local farm supply store and pick up a "Spraying Systems" catalog I think TeeJet puts this one out. It will have charts That will help with nozzle selection. Flat fans were the old all purpose tip and your sprayer probably has those unless it has been used for Roundup on beans.

Your question about herbicide selection is kind of open ended ie need a little more info. What weeds are you trying to kill? What crop are you working in? Is the crop Roundup Resistant? It is too late for 24D in corn here but if you use it before you spray any broad leaf crop (like beans or alfalfa) Clean the sprayer real good and use a neutralizer or you will hate yourself. Just a whiff of that stuff will kill Alfalfa.

The difference between Contact and Systemic is the method that the herbicide acts on the plant. Systemic will move throughout the plant and Contact will kill the parts that it gets on.

I would suggest you get your self licensed as a private applicater next winter. You won't need a license for the products you mentioned but you will learn about safe handling get answers to most of the questions you asked while studying for the test. Test is not super difficult (I passed it!!).

Hope this answers some of your questions and sorry about the long post.

JT

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