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Haying equipment on a budget

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Mark

06-07-2006 23:06:48




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The floor is open for all recommendations.....any and all colors/brands. I have 40 acres of mixed grass hay and not a pile of cash for equipment. I need you hay makers to tell me what I should shop for in a reliable roller, rake, and tedder. I don't care how old it is as i need to save some coins right now. Depedability is the keyword and ease of repairs..they all need them eventually. A 4x4 or 4x5 roll is ideal size. I have a JD 5320 tractor...55 pto horse..dealer claims it dyno'd 63..but I wonder what he was smokin when the test was made..hehehe!

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NDaircaptian

06-11-2006 20:21:31




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
Gee, I thought I was going to start baling small squares for under $1000. You should be able to find something workable for a package for around $3000 total for round baling minus the tractor. I bought a sickle for $250 would like to find a workable square baler for $500 and a rake for less than $100. I am building a couple of trailers for bales from junk. Still looking for a baler, hopefully a JD 14T or 24T. and the rake, hopefully on rubber tires. I have some land and ditches that my boss just wants mowed off, up to 100 acres, some great some so-so and some poor, he said I could bale it for nothing, and sell the bales and he supplies the fuel. might do some custom cutting and baling too? Keep shopping around and be paitient. You'll find what your looking for. If anybody knows where I can get a small square baler for under $500 in ND SD or western MN, write me!

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Mark

06-09-2006 13:48:28




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
I have washed my hands with the whole thing. No way this side of the grave I am spending $30K for new equipment that will never realize a return. No way am I buying a bunch of junk somebody else has gutted and then grins through gold teeth and asks me twice what it's worth.

If $500 is a fair exchange for 125-135 rolls of hay a year...then that is how it'll stay.



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Gumby

06-09-2006 12:37:42




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
I'd second the comment about just working out a deal with another farmer. Bringing in crops takes equipment and proper timing. Something which will always cause substantial worries, unless you do it for a living or serious hobby.

I'd advertise for someone to rent the land and take halves on the bales with a pre-arranged price per bale and commitment that the tenent wil buy all your hay from you.

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K-Stater

06-08-2006 20:53:45




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
We just bought a Hesston 5500 Round baler for 1300 dollars. Out New Holland 495 Haybine was only 2000. It's in good shape, it's just an occassional pain in the butt when you have to unfold it. Our JD 660 Side Delivery rake was only 1500. That's only 4800 for 3 reliable peices of equipment. The baler is older and very tempermental towards starting a bale, but it's still a good baler if you have patience. Swathers are reasonable. Rakes can be had very reasonable and old round balers are a dime a dozen. I'd recommend before you buy an older round baler to post on here. These guys will tell you if to run away from it or buy it. Good luck.

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hay master

06-08-2006 12:43:02




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
Mark,
I only use New Holland hay equipment, but I have 2 NH dealers closeby. I use a NH 479 haybine. If you go with a haybine, make sure the rolls (chevrons) are in good shape and the wobble box/cutter bar is in working order. I am on my second NH haybine, as the first one had bad rolls. The NH 479 I gave $1500 for and it works great, even through haevy 1st cut alfalfa, just go SLOW. Assuming you need a baler? I use a NH 315 (small square) that came off a dairy farm, it went thru the shop and I gave $2000 for it. It works awesome. Hope that helps.

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Mark

06-08-2006 16:49:37




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to hay master, 06-08-2006 12:43:02  
Excellent response from everybody...you fellers are the best!

Rule out a square baler because there is no such thing as help these days. About the only folks who buy squares anyway are horsey's and they are particular as hell. This is decent mixed hay, cattle don't seem too particular...like my dead uncle said...if they make a turd, they'll eat it....hehehe!

Tell me how much I should expect to pay for field ready, getter done equipment.

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Kelly Campbell

06-08-2006 07:51:39




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
I might make the comment that what ever you decide to get, try to get something that has a dealship near by so as to easily get psrts should something break down. I learned my lesson the hard way...:(

In regards to the 4 wheel rakes, I have one and think that it does a excelent job, many people don't like them but if you can get the hang of raking with one its not that bad. I've also used a v-wheel rake on a caddy and that's heck of a rake!

Kelly

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Errin OH

06-08-2006 07:44:48




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
Personally I have a JD 1209 and would have absolulty no reservations recomending one. Same with the Kuhn 4 basket tedder. I have never tried a wheel rake, I don't mind my JD roller bar, but I couldn't say what the ropping effect would do to a round bale. As I haven't ever used one of them either. Others will say the same about their experances.

Every brand has at least one good model, but all brands/models can be in BAD condition. I strongly sugest, buying used, that if you do not know what it should have, not have, or be able to identify worn, rotted, missing, bent, broken, parts and pieces, take someone with you who can.

Seriously, know what condition you are buying. If you don't take someone with you who does.

Example - I looked at many $2000 square balers that litterly couldn't be ran without fixing first and/or daily. I bought an old ford, under $100, and have ran 7000 bales through it with nothing but minor adjustments and simple repairs. Likewise, I have a friend that paid $10,000 for a dozer. Had no clue what he was buying. One look and I told myself it wouldn't last two weeks, it lasted ten days and the trans went. Is currently sitting in 5' of weeds. Same with his backhoe. The first time he went to dig a hole both the outriggers broke (rotted out). Seems to break down every time he uses it. He is footing the bill for the repairs and calling me for help. Just wish I could get him to involve me up front????? ???

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Kelly Campbell

06-08-2006 07:28:09




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
Where are you located?



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Luke S

06-08-2006 07:03:57




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
Well, you got a good tractor. I'd buy a new 3-point disc mower and use the manufacturers 0% promotional financing. Hesston has 0% for 48 months! Good deal, and you won't have to worry about repairs and you can go like hell! You can find a good used rake for around $1000, I got a NH 256 with dolly wheels for $1200, but I saw a nice 3-point mounted V rake along side the road for sale yesterday for $1100, that was worth the money I thought. I have a HEsston 5500 round baler that I gave $2200 for and it has not missed a beat since. Makes a 5'x5' 1100lb bale and does a good a job as you'll find for $2200. Haven't made a repair to it in three years, but the man who had it prior to me had kept it sheded and the year before I got it it had had every bearing and every hose on it replaced. Get a tedder, some guys make hay without one but I don't know how. I have a JD 752 4-basket which is made by Kuhn, it's old, but it's still teds hay well, gave $1200 for it.

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KEH

06-08-2006 06:21:50




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
Reccommend that you do not get a closed throat baler. No older than a 430 JD. No older than a 504 F Vermeer, a 504 I is much better. I would not get a NH chain baler because of difficlty in reepairing chains yourself. If you do get a NH chain baler get one with the roller in the bottom, like a 848. Don'tnow about Hesston, but all Hesston equipment I have dealt with has been well made.
I would get a new disc mower if possible and take care of it. If you find a good looking used one, check oil levels, look in gear box at gears with light, have the mower mounted and hear run first. Try to get equipment with a dealer nearby.

KEH

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Nebraska Cowman

06-08-2006 02:47:31




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
What my dad called the "dirti 5" depreciation, intrest, repairs, taxes, & insurance. will eat your shorts.



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just a thought

06-08-2006 00:51:00




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
i think if it was me i would try to find somebody to sell it to or have it baled on the halves the 1st and second year and put that money back for equipment because if you buy equipment you have break downs then you fix the stuff cheap something major breaks down then your in the same boat you started in with just a bunch of dependable junk and no money to fix it.



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Mark

06-07-2006 23:13:43




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:06:48  
Oh forgot to mention the need for a disc mower....that ain't gonna be cheap, but no way this side of Hades I'm going back to a sickle bar:).



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RickL

06-08-2006 01:22:12




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-07-2006 23:13:43  
wher you located as I have all that you are asking about available. Tell me your dollar figures and will get back with ya.
1st item disc mower /New Idea are nice units
2nd any wheel rake is fine,9 wheel 2 tire in line are very nice units
round balers red or green do nice job,net wrap and belt units only way to go in my eye.,But if thats all the hay you have i would let unit in your area bale it.Really hard you justify expense of those for that small acres. i have some cheap usable units available but you said very dependable,you don't get both in those.

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Mark

06-08-2006 10:57:02




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to RickL, 06-08-2006 01:22:12  
Folks, I am in Greenup County KY, near Ashland.

No, I don't expect like new and cheap. But the scoop is, these 40 acres belong to my sister and she is getting raped by the guy baling for her. I told her we'd pick some equip. and do it ourselves. Would you like to have 40 acres of hay for $500 a year? Hehehehe! It doesn't justify buying $30,000 worth of equip., but getting some stuff sufficient for the job, would. Doesn't have to be the finest, mostest, bestest, fastest. Just reliable and able to do the job.

Bottom line is I know nothing of this stuff.....it has been 35 years since we last cut any hay on the homeplace and that was with an ancient JD #5 sickle and a '46 Oliver 60! We had a neighbor come and square bale it. I don't want anybody's junk and that is what prompted the inquiry. When it comes to 'deals' somebody else always gets them ahead of me....hehehe! But I wouldn't recognize a steal if it was put in front of me, concerning this equipment. I see lots of JD, NH and Vermeer rollers used around here. Most still using side delivery rakes. Never used a tedder in my life. Maybe just best to tell her to find a different person to cut and roll for her.

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TimS

06-08-2006 19:34:40




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-08-2006 10:57:02  
Unimproved pasture is renting around here ( nw mo ) for 14 dollars per acre per year, so if your sister is getting $500 per year for that 40 as a hay field she isn't doing that bad. Check your local ag agent for lease rates in your area.



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RickL

06-08-2006 19:22:49




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 Re: Haying equipment on a budget in reply to Mark , 06-08-2006 10:57:02  
what do yo both do for work and do either one of you have the time to do it timely,if not you just kidding yourself. Find another party who has the equipment and work out something. or just rent i out thats common also. do you have market for the hay etc etc. 50/50 crop shares is another option although with costs now I do 75 25 split now days on those deals.



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