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Need help with Hay not drying

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JeffK-MN

06-06-2006 21:14:13




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Last year I started using an International 990 haybine. It was great. The hay was light and long drying time. But this year the hay is very heavy and we're getting rain every few days. I'm having trouble with the hay staying wet in the middle of the windrow. What am I doing wrong? I am using a NH 55 rake that some people tell me is my problem. Is there any way to adjust it so it just turns it over, not making it into a rope? Or what else can I do?
Thanks for any help. Jeff

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JeffK-MN

06-07-2006 15:55:50




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-06-2006 21:14:13  
Thanks Guys I borrowed a Fluffer from another farmer like the one Hay DR has a picture of and did it work I fluffed it at 10 oclock and it is really dry now but can't get to bale it till tomorrow. So I will let it lay till around 10 or 11 then rake it and bale it. Thanks you all Jeff



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Nat 2

06-07-2006 10:48:44




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-06-2006 21:14:13  
The rake is your problem in that it is the WRONG TOOL FOR THE JOB.

All a rake does is roll up, or roll over. It does not change the shape of the windrow once it's rolled up. The inside stays on the inside, and the outside stays on the outside. If you rolled it up and the inside is wet, the inside will stay wet unless you get about a week of hot, dry weather.

What you need is a tool that will s-p-r-e-a-d the windrow back out on the ground so the inside can get air and dry out.

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RickL

06-07-2006 10:36:08




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-06-2006 21:14:13  
been doing hay and around it since I couldn't pick them up. We have always done it this way and still do only difference is now I use accumulator system and all of it is sold to public and stores.
mow with discmow co,drop in windrow so I can stradd le it
let lay one day,sometimes two but always try for just the one.
rake it'basically just turn it upright usingwheel rake. It has to be up in the air to dry laying flat just always got the mold on the bottom for us. Next day rake it over and put two thre or four fiver together then bale after lunch usually. Must be doing something right as always am prebooked. Course then ther is always the rain that was suppose to come and you get drowned,that then becomes fat cattle hay and I have neighbor roll it. You just have to rake it soon as possible and keep it up and it will dry. I tried tedder couple seasons ago,wasn't for me but I do alot of staight alfalfa also. If I get to where really get wet stuff I just use my batwing,basically does same as tedding to me then rake and roll and goes cattle lots. Inverter I think would be nice at times thou instead of rake. will try one out this season. It has to be up and loose not rope wrapped like some rakes have tendency to do.Wheel rakes are my choice period.

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Larry S. - W.C. MI

06-07-2006 09:59:59




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-06-2006 21:14:13  
Not too much that can be done with mother nature, but depending on your costs, etc. using a hay tedder is most likely your best option. Otherwise going to a liquid preservative with the application unit mounted on the baler would a second choice. Good luck...



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JMS/MN

06-07-2006 07:56:45




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-06-2006 21:14:13  
Since you are using a moco and it's already in a windrow, try running over it with a pull-type conditioner like we used to pull behind a mower. Use it a day after cutting. Doesn't mess up the windrow like a rake does, but cuts down drying time. A rain after raking just gives you hay that looks like it's already been through the cow.



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Kelly C

06-07-2006 04:54:04




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-06-2006 21:14:13  
Ok its not the fault of your rake. NH 55 is a good rake.

In Minn you need to follow a set way of doing hay.

You need at least 3 maybe 4 days of good weather.

Goes like this.
Day one. Cut the hay. ( insure your mower spreads the hay out. You dont want it in a tight windrow. Air needs to get to it.)

Next 2 days are drying days. Do not rake the hay.

Next day. Rake the hay into windrows about 10 or 11 am At 1 or 2 pm start baling. Then go like heck as the rain is coming. :-)

If your hay gets rained on in a windrow. You screwed up and didnt judge the weather.
Hay can deal better with rain if its still in the swath not the windrow. You dont rake until your ready to bale.

If your hay gets rained on in the swath " You can rake it into windrows with you NH55. Then at the center of the field, Turn around and raise your basket so that it is catching 1/2 the windrow. The rerake the other way. This will spread out your wind row for drying again." You can also spread out a windrow with the left side of the rake low and the right side high.

If all you want to do is flip a windrow so the bottom is top. Just run the rake so that the last 1/4 of the rake contacts the windrow. On my set up its just run the left rear tire along the right side of the windrow.

Hope this helps.

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Kelly C

06-07-2006 05:03:59




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to Kelly C, 06-07-2006 04:54:04  
Dang it. Should be Right side low and left side high. Thats standing behind the rake. Sorry for the confusion.



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Dave H (MI)

06-07-2006 11:35:15




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to Kelly C, 06-07-2006 05:03:59  
Kelly, you and I handle hay the same way. Must be similar weather patterns we deal with! Only thing I do different is try to time my cutting for just before a front comes thru and when there is a large high pressure ridge behind it. Lay the hay out wide, let it get wet thru the night while it is still green and THEN let her dry the two days before raking. I find that I am more likely not to get wet during baling because I don't use a day of my good weather interval cutting. Gets me an extra 24 hours and I have needed it time and time again.

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Michael Soldan

06-07-2006 04:23:35




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-06-2006 21:14:13  
Jeff,it is obviously a weather problem you are dealing with. I don't own a tedder but this might help. I take the first 4 teeth of each bar of my rake. Then I run the tail of the rake on the swath or windrow. This will flip the hay rather than rope it. I will work the hay when we get wet weather, maybe flip it twice on a good drying day, I don't drive fast,just get it flipped. It does fluff up the row as well. If the hay got roped it will be tougher to get dry. Taking off the first four teeth is 16 bolts and only takes a few minutes..good luck, I have hay down with rain called for tomorrow so we will bale as much as we can today..Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Nebraska Cowman

06-07-2006 04:03:45




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-06-2006 21:14:13  
If hay gets wet in the windrow you have 2 choices. Either shake it back out with one of those whirlygig tedders or shake it out with a pitchfork. I get away with a rake here but we get much better drying days.
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Hay DR

06-07-2006 03:37:46




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-06-2006 21:14:13  
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A tedder will take one day off your drying time.



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Luke S

06-07-2006 07:03:51




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to Hay DR, 06-07-2006 03:37:46  
I got a 4-basket tedder last year and do not know how I ever made hay without it. I use a disc mower(no conditioning) and I couldn't get by without the tedder. I had an inch of rain on about ten acre's of my best hay about 3 weeks ago. The next day I teeded it, and by that evening you could not tell it had been rained on. Baled the next day, some of the best looking hay I have made all year.

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Rexalot

06-07-2006 07:37:12




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 Re: Need help with Hay not drying in reply to Luke S, 06-07-2006 07:03:51  
When I cut using a NH 469, I set the haybines discharge to the widest setting. This puts about a 7 or 8 foot swath out the back. I tried smaller swaths to avoid running it over but it took longer to dry so I"m back to this. I don"t own a tedder so the best I can do is to spread it out as much as possible first time.

If your not already laying it down in this manner you may give it a try. I will let it lay up to 2 days if it needs it before I rake.

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