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Watching Neighbor Big Square Bale

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Formerly PaMike

06-06-2006 18:12:22

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Had my neighbor big square bale a 5.5 acre field.He had to do a lot of turning, but still got 24 bales in 45 minutes! Thats 12.5 tons an hour! Those bales were that tight you can barely get a finger in the bale let alone a hand.

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Duane(Pa)

06-07-2006 11:28:11

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Big Bales Bigger Buck$$$$ in reply to Formerly PaMike, 06-06-2006 18:12:22

Has anyone priced a big square baler lately?

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Seth_ia

06-07-2006 13:11:09

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Re: Big Bales Bigger Buck$$$$ in reply to Duane(Pa), 06-07-2006 11:28:11

You have to keep the price in perspective. $80,000 may sound like a lot, but $300,000 for a new combine is even worse. Even my older 4x4 can easily put out 20 tons/hour and not work too hard, but 30 ton is pretty much tops. My baler weighs 18,000# EMPTY and has a 3000# tounge weight. It calls for minimum of 125 hp. When I first got it I put a 145hp JD 4430 on it. Boy was that under powered. I now have a JD 4640 w/ duals on it, and thats much better. Duals are really needed for stopping power, and they don't tear up hay feilds like one might expect. What will surprise some is that the capacity of a 3x3 and a 4x4 is similar. The 3x4 is the highest output. 3x3 has about twice the stroke rate and half the plunger area of 4x4 to give them a similar capacity. The 3x4 balers have the stroke rate of the 3x3 balers, but 33% more plunger area than a 3x3. This is why I bought a used 4x4 instead of a 3x3. The plunger has made half a many stokes and the knotter has made half as many knots as a 3x3 with acomparable hours. After running a big square baler, you'll figure out why they call small squares 'idiot blocks' and you'll never want to go back.

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RickL

06-07-2006 18:15:45

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Re: Big Bales Bigger Buck$$$$ in reply to Seth_ia, 06-07-2006 13:11:09

Yea I hear that all time with all my small squares. But they are what sell for me large squares so far can't give away. I do (money cubes) some call idot blocks and will always continue too. accumulator and loader not much diferent as we both pickup with the loader. I do idot blocks you do whats known most in my area as rotten blocks. Still have a fellow who has close to 300 last i knew still trying to get rid of as of last season yet. I don't personally call them idiot blocks,to me they are MONEY CUBES. You do whatever works.

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Seth_ia

06-07-2006 19:50:12

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Re: Big Bales Bigger Buck$$$$ in reply to RickL, 06-07-2006 18:15:45

I fully agree with doing what sells for you. While 3x3s are most popular here in the midwest, I think they have also been the reason that some have gotten stung. With the 4x4s I'm able to loosen up the bales and let them breath alittle. They are then similar to a round bale(1600#). If you loosen a 3x3 up, it pretty easy to end up with alot of 700-800# bales to handle. In this area there is always demand for small squares, the problem is getting enough help. I like either the bale wagon or accumulator, but capacity is an issue with my small baler. I figured by the time I got a good high capacity small baler and a good bale wagon, I would have the same in that combo as I do in a big square baler. And with the big square baler there is custom work to be done. There would be no custom work potential with a new small bale setup and I don't have enough acres to justify either right now without the custom work, but I need extra capacity as I add acres. I also much prefer to hand feed big square rather than lug around a bunch of small squares all winter.

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RickL

06-08-2006 01:09:04

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Re: Big Bales Bigger Buck$$$$ in reply to Seth_ia, 06-07-2006 19:50:12

Seth; I forget to add in last reply that yea the custom thing works some I was dioing that also with the setup ai have but you also start to find out thatyou can do alot of running for couple bales sometimes especially after the first cutting. After that first cutting baling your numbers really go down and 3rd fourth really hard to justify the road time is what i learned so I quit that part of it. When i was still doing it i raised the rates in those cuttings,you have to. anyway good luck

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RickL

06-08-2006 01:01:53

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Re: Big Bales Bigger Buck$$$$ in reply to Seth_ia, 06-07-2006 19:50:12

yea thats fine like I said its just different in other areas and when everything you make is sold that changes things also. sounds like you feed all yours so quality then really doesn't become issue near as much anyway.

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Seth_ia

06-08-2006 08:33:33

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Re: Big Bales Bigger Buck$$$$ in reply to RickL, 06-08-2006 01:01:53

I have a $100 minimum for trips less than 15 miles. I just got a call from a guy 45 miles away and told him that I needed a 100 bales to justify the trip. Currently I do feed most of mine, but that is slowly changing. I test all hay and balance the rations acordingly, so bad hay=more boughten supplement. A dairy producer nearby swears that the best hay he has ever put up is in big squares. He has used them for quite a while and loves them. Also some of the best hay I have ever bought comes in big square. The big square balers seem to hold the leaves better do to there being less surface area/cuft of volume.

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RickL

06-08-2006 10:34:16

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Re: Big Bales Bigger Buck$$$$ in reply to Seth_ia, 06-08-2006 08:33:33

like I said before if it works thats all that matters,from what i am seeing of them it isn't the balers fault anyway. Same with the small squares you still getwhat you bale.Some guys just can't get that. I used to test but since that went up and the price I have set regardless anyway so it wasn't making any difference as far as sales go. eye appeal and smell you get those two right and you will sell hay all time,same with straw

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bvomark

06-07-2006 06:29:44

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Re: Watching Neighbor Big Square Bale in reply to Formerly PaMike, 06-06-2006 18:12:22

Neighbor had cancer 3 years ago and upgraded to the big square baler. The baler makes 32" wide bales 8 feet long. The baler itself weighs 15000 pounds and requires at least 100 hp. A smaller tractor might run the baler but you need the weight of the larger tractor to pull and stop with the baler behind you if not on level ground.

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Nebraska Cowman

06-07-2006 04:15:28

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Re: Watching Neighbor Big Square Bale in reply to Formerly PaMike, 06-06-2006 18:12:22

That's about right and it takes pretty good hay. About 25 bales an hour is pretty good hay through a round baler. The best I have been able to do is about 45 seconds to wrap and drop a bale. @25 bales that is about 20 minutes each hour spent standing still. Something like 15 ton per hour. I know they rate round balers a lot higher than that but I don't think it real life you'd ever do it.

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TomTX

06-07-2006 06:10:11

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Re: Watching Neighbor Big Square Bale in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-07-2006 04:15:28

Hey Cowman, the guy who baled some for me last year had the net wrap option on his new baler. I sat in the truck and timed 6 of his stop-roll-kickout. He was stopped an average of 17 seconds for each roll. That cuts your "sit still" time down to one third. That is why I always argue that custom baler folks should not charge any extra for net wrap. The saved production time (as well as less wear on the baler from all the turns wrapping the twine) is more than the extra cost of netwrap over twine. Tom

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Don-Wi

06-07-2006 00:19:15

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Re: Watching Neighbor Big Square Bale in reply to Formerly PaMike, 06-06-2006 18:12:22

We hired out the 2nd and 3rd crop last year to a guy, he runs a Case big square baler 3x3 and he did have a biggish Deere, 2wd, but this year I guess he bought himself a new JCB that'll do 40 mph+ on the road. He does from one end of the county to the other, so travel time is a big part of it.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Brendon

06-06-2006 19:13:46

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Re: Watching Neighbor Big Square Bale in reply to Formerly PaMike, 06-06-2006 18:12:22

The modern large square balers (ones that makes 3x4 or 4x4 foot bales, 8 feet long) have capacity that is simply amazing. The key is the non-stop running; no wasted time tying off the bale like round balers. I know from experience that a 3x4 baler can drop a 1400 pound bale out every minute in good, heavy alfalfa. This works out to over 40 tons per hour!

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RodInNS

06-06-2006 18:37:34

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Re: Watching Neighbor Big Square Bale in reply to Formerly PaMike, 06-06-2006 18:12:22

If I was a betting man, I'd say he could easily double that in a large open field. That would put him in the same range as a good round baler, and he should blow that off the map considering the power in front of most of those big square balers. It does look quite impressive though, when compared to an old square baler....

Rod

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paul

06-06-2006 21:47:53

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Re: Watching Neighbor Big Square Bale in reply to RodInNS, 06-06-2006 18:37:34

Yea, saw one coming down the road with a 4wd tracotr in front of it. Not assist, but big articulated tractor. Wow on the power....

--->Paul

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