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burnetma

06-04-2006 03:44:55




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I have been considering upgrading to a rotary hay rake from an old David Bradley side delivery rake. I am only working 10 acres so having a large commercial quality unit really does not make sense, but I lost 1/3 of my first cutting this year monkeying around with a bad rake that roped and balled the hay and malfunctioning baler. Just money lost. I have been reading literature on Kuhn, Pequa and now Morra rakes. The Morra rakes are half the price of the Pequa and 1/10 the price of a Kuhn. The Morra is also a three point (like some of the Kuhn models) which I would think would help me on my side hills. Does anybody have any experience with the Morra? Any other advice?

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3010jd

06-05-2006 03:51:39




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 Re: Rotary Hay Rakes in reply to burnetma, 06-04-2006 03:44:55  
I have a NH 255 rake/tedder. have used it for four years now on 40 acres and I have been happy with it. Its the newer version w/fewer grease fittings, more sealed bearings, bigger tires. I like the three point hitch and seems to do a good job fluffing windrow. Takes a little to learn how to use it but, the manual is very good to show all the possibilities. I picked up a NH four basket tedder so I just use the 255 to rake and have a backup or second tedder if needed. If you try one look it over REAL good. There are a lot of moving parts that wear out. Look under where the rollers run it the cam slot and also check all the roll pins for wear.

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RodInNS

06-04-2006 18:35:16




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 Re: Rotary Hay Rakes in reply to burnetma, 06-04-2006 03:44:55  
I have a Kuhn rake. I don't know anything about the other 2 you listed. I also have a NewHolland 254 tedder rake. For 10 acres, it would work good for you IF, and this is a big IF... you can find one in good working order. That pretty much means red and shiny from the rotors down. They have a very short service life, and are expensive to maintain if you're covering a lot of ground.
The Kuhn, in my opinion is the best rake on the market today. They are expensive. They are well built. They are heavy. They take power. Personally, I'd be sceptical of something that's half the price of the Kuhn, let alone a tenth the cost.... But, as I said, I don't know those brands. Just look them over. Compare the designs, the steel quality, etc. Probably one of the better small rake/tedders you could get is the old "Haybob" from PZ. That ought to be about perfect for 10 acres. Also, the 254 NH works well, does a nice job etc. It's just poorly built. Doesn't last, and wants about 3 grand for a proper rebuild. Something to think about...
Also, as Cowman said, you are probably raking to wet. Rotary rake won't fix that problem, although they do make a far better row than any side delivery. That said, side deliveries raked a lot of hay for square balers over the years....

Rod

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burnetma

06-04-2006 19:50:29




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 Re: Rotary Hay Rakes in reply to RodInNS, 06-04-2006 18:35:16  
Rod,

Thank you for the feedback. I really hadn't considered the NH 254 because of several items. As you mentioned durability and finding a good one, but also I was told that they didn't do either job (tedding or raking) particularly well. I know where there are two that I could try out. Not sure what they are asking for them to purchase, but nothing like seeing with your own two eyes.

Regarding the cost comparison, I may be a little off base. The Morra (9' nominal) is $2000. The Pequea is $4200. A quote that I got for the Kuhn was $16,800. I have heard nothing but praise for the Kuhn, but it doesn't fit my budget. For $16k, I would put a used NH 570 or JD 338 in my barn and a used NH bale wagon. That would really be nice. So $2-4k is in my expected price range, but I do not want to spend money on something that will not hold up or does not function properly. Thus I ask about the Morra and Pequea. Hopefully several people on this site have used these units.

I will also look into the "Haybob". I have to admit that I never heard of that critter. I loved to research though...

Thanks again,
Mark

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RpdInNS

06-05-2006 06:51:20




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 Re: Rotary Hay Rakes in reply to burnetma, 06-04-2006 19:50:29  
I dunno about that Kuhn price. That sounds about double what it ought to be for a 9-10' rake. We paid about 8-9g canadian for a 14' model about 18 months ago. I don't recall the exact figure off the top of my head. I'm sure there was some year end discount, but it wasn't that far out of line. Somebody's out to rip you with that price. You could also look around for a used Kuhn, which can often be had for 1000-1500 in pretty decent shape.
On the 254, I always found that it did a good job of raking. The only shortcoming it had in raking mode was that it doesn't move the crop between the rotors when it it fully widened out. If you are raking hay that hasn't been tedded, then I found there was always a little strip of hay left on the ground behind the baler, that wasn't centered in the row. It never got moved, and didn't get picked up. If the hay was tedded, this wasn't a problem. It also wasn't a problem in the medium to narrow width setting. The tedder part wasn't the best though. If you used the tedder in the cam setting, it wasn't very aggressive. I was never happy with how that worked. I always flipped the arms up and put it in the conventional tedder mode. That worked well. The main durability problems on the 254 were related to the hangers (NH calles them support welds). They wear out where they pivot on the big roll pin. Once that gets sloppy, the cam followers get torn off because they bottom out in the cam. Then the ends get worn off the tine arms from hitting the back of the cam, the snap ring grooves wear out, then the cams wear out from metal on metal contact. Then the hanger latches start breaking. Then the bushings on the tine arms get worn out. Sooo.... Start at the big roll pins, and make sure they're all tight. Then the cam followers, and make sure they aren't welded on to the tine arms. Check the cams over to make sure they're in good shape, and that they turn when the latch is released. Check the tines over to make sure there's a full set of the same length, and make sure the bushings on those arms are tight, and that there is no lateral play in the arms. They shouldn't drift in and out, but be held steady. There's another little roll pin to hold them in place. That should give you a good guide to checking over a 254. Also check the PTO shaft, but that shouldn't be a problem unless it got some owner abuse. I was never unsatisified with the job that rake did. I was only unsatisfied with the reliability. That said, I am going over 200 acres with it, some more than once a year. It's design was never meant to do that. If mine was new today it would give 5-6 years of trouble free service for what I'm doing. After that, it needs a major tear down and rebuild. The parts were over 3 grand the last time I did that a few years ago. If you get one that's in as new condition in the areas I described, it would likely last you a good long time on 10 acres. That's the scoupe on the 254.....
Anyway, good luck, whatever you decide.

Rod

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JK-NY

06-04-2006 13:23:16




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 Re: Rotary Hay Rakes in reply to burnetma, 06-04-2006 03:44:55  
Howdy -good to see you know about this board. There is alot of good advice to be had . I am not familiar with the Morra rake beyond seeing it in a catalog, but have friends who used a Kuhn which was similar and had good luck with it -it was a drawn rake. I have used a neighbors 3 pt. rotary tedder which could be converted to a rake and it did a good job. It tended to stand the hay up more as opposed to rolling it as a side delivery rake does. I have a tedder which came with pieces to adapt it for raking but I"ve never used them. Heres something to try if your hay that got wet is already raked up as I see you dont have a tedder - run over it with your cutditioner again - it will shake alot of water out and fluff and spread it out better than trying to rake it again .With damp ground turning wet raked up hay over usually just ropes it up worse and it wont dry in the middle very well unless sprread out . When I had a cutditioner here I"ve done this- its rougher on hay than a tedder but at this point getting it dried as fast as possible would be in your best interest and if your weather there is anything like here that hay should be pretty well washed by now. It has rained on and off all day here today, - supposed to clear up Mon PM - I"ve seen water standing in places south of us tody on plowed ground . Good luck and I hope you get the baler going.

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burnetma

06-04-2006 19:38:57




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 Re: Rotary Hay Rakes in reply to JK-NY, 06-04-2006 13:23:16  
JK,
Yeah, the weather has been pretty bad here today. No soaking ran, just on and off misting.

I did exactly as you suggested this morning and ran over the hay again with the Cut/ditioner. I tried to hit it with the end so the windrow guides would try to move it off of the ground it had been sitting on. Seemed to work. The hay is lost. I will just bale it to get it off of the field and sell it to some contractor friends as mulch hay. Might pay for some of the diesel.

Thanks again. I will let you know what I do and where I go from here.

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Nebraska Cowman

06-04-2006 07:37:39




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 Re: Rotary Hay Rakes in reply to burnetma, 06-04-2006 03:44:55  
If your hay was "roped and balled" it's cuz you raked it too green. A different rake ain't gonna fix that.

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kobblestones

09-30-2006 17:34:50




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 Re: Rotary Hay Rakes in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-04-2006 07:37:39  
Hello I have just purchased a NH 254 tedder rake and am searching for a manual on the unit so as I can learn how to correctly operate and maintain it.Can any body out there help with a copy.
thanks Allan



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