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Sam (MO)

05-30-2006 09:48:40

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I spent the weekend yes the whole weekend baling a 3 acre field. The old NH 310 could not tie a bale to save it's life. Back to the barn and re-set the timing and put a fresh edge on the cutters. with that done back to the field and tried again, well it's tie with no problem. however, the bales were banana shaped, could this be from moisture to high in the fesue? or do I need to crank down the longer side. Thanks

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bvomark

05-31-2006 12:06:56

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

It may be due to the feeder mechanism. I believe the manual has a section about which way to move the feeder tines to correct the problem. I had the same problem several years ago and adjusted the feeder to get the hay into the chamber correctly and the problem disappeared.

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Teddy (Punchie)

05-31-2006 01:03:38

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

Bale stops maybe the same as hay dogs, I'm not sure, Check them. Clean out the bale chamber, the hole chamber and reset the tension springs. Feeding hay, we bale at single rows and go at a fair speed, don't try to bale huge doubled up rows. Hay too dry ? Add bale wedges ? Run at slower ground speed ? Good luck !!
Teddy

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JRT

05-30-2006 19:03:11

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

I will tell you some real square baling problems. Today I laid down 750 beautiful bales of hay with my New Holland 311. Never broke a bale. As I was finishing up, here comes a big black cloud , then lightning , then the rain. Solid hard rain for 30 minutes. Soaked the bales 2 inches deep. Weather channels and local weatherman said no rain. Now there is some real square baling problems.

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BobMo

05-30-2006 18:34:31

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

BobH is correct. All this stuff about feeding in one side or the other doesn't mean squat. Adjust according to the manual, run at speeds recommended and these things will make good bales..... ..Been there, done that...

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BobHnwOh

05-30-2006 16:46:28

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

READ THE MANUAL!!I have a NH 268 that used to make banana bales,now it makes straight solid bales all the time,it don"t matter how slow or fast I go or where the hay or straw goes in,it makes perfect bales!Bob.

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Sam (MO)

05-31-2006 06:08:54

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Re: square baling problems in reply to BobHnwOh, 05-30-2006 16:46:28

Bob
Are you anywhere Defiance? that's where my father in-law is now. Have a great day..

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BobHnwOh

05-31-2006 15:21:41

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-31-2006 06:08:54

Hey Sam,I'm about 60 miles southeast of Defiance,or 10 mi.East of Bluffton,Bob.

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Hurst

05-30-2006 16:42:23

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

Our 311 will do this sometimes and if you measure the springs with a piece of grass to make sure they are cranked down the same, then cut open all of the tied bales in the chute you can't get out and clean the chute out. A lot of times in fairly moist grass, the chaff will build up in the corners of the chute in various places. If this happens, it is normally not even and will cause the ol banana shaped bale. The haydogs are another good place to look. Those things can get junk in them and also sometimes those springs will break just from use and old age. Check those out and see if you find your problem there. Good luck with the baler.

Hurst

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RodInNS

05-30-2006 14:32:07

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

You could also check the twine tension. If that is uneven from one side to the other, the side with higher tension will cause that side of the bale to shorten. I just tweak them until the bale straightens out.
As others have said, it could be the speed yoy're driving, the way the row is feeding, and probably a variety of other factors. Also, if you don't have an operators manual, invest in one, and study it. It will give you more bang for your buck than anything else you do around that baler. HTH.

Rod

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Iowa Jim

05-30-2006 10:40:30

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

The hay dogs may be stuck, but I would also look at the feeder mechanism. It probably isn't adjusted properly for the size of windrow you have.

Jim

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Allan In NE

05-30-2006 10:36:30

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

Oh heck Sam,

Consider yourself fortunate. I can't even run twine around a round bale worth a darn and they don't even have knotters. :>)

Allan

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Sam (MO)

05-30-2006 10:40:34

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Allan In NE, 05-30-2006 10:36:30

Hey Allen
The funny part was when the wife came out to help. I feed the twin through the needles and ask her to pull the twine tight while I turned the flywheel. We she was holding them about waist high and her thumbs up. well, when the cutters cut the twine she ended up punching herself in the nose. I was to hard not to keep from laughing and make her feel better at the same time.

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Iowa Jim

05-30-2006 13:01:53

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 10:40:34

I can see how that would be a tough one not to laugh at.

You can remedy this by simply tieing the twin to a portion of the baler frame to keep the twine tight rather than have your wife hurt herself. Of course, don't let her see that you have a "safer" way to thread the knotter.

Jim

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Sam (MO)

05-31-2006 06:06:06

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Iowa Jim, 05-30-2006 13:01:53

Jim

when I working by myself that's how I do it. The wife has done this before when she is in the mood
to help. It was just so hard not to laugh, she just mainly hurt her pride. when the boy were still at home I would rather have her run the rake than my boys, she alway made great wind rows. I think the boys wanted to be doing other things and not thinking about what they were doing. But now their gone I sure do miss them.

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Kelly Campbell

05-30-2006 10:26:58

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

there may be a bunch of material caught up under the hay dogs.

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onefarmer

05-30-2006 10:09:16

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Re: square baling problems in reply to Sam (MO), 05-30-2006 09:48:40

Sounds like the hay dogs are either stuck or the springs are broke. Look just in front of the knotters. There are some top and bottom.

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Illinois Boy

05-30-2006 13:04:36

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Re: square baling problems in reply to onefarmer, 05-30-2006 10:09:16

Could be the way your feeding hay from the windrow into the baler - keep the feed as straight as possible - not going from one side to another. (Drive straight!!) I know - it's hard not to turn around and watch the process!!
I like to feed the windrow right in the middle of the pick-up. Seems that gives the best and most consistent results. Also, try varying your speed.
Uneven windrows (heavy, the light, back to heavy) can cause the same problem too.

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