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SuperA-Tx

05-30-2006 09:39:32




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My father passed away last year and I have taken his old Super A and restoring it. He purchased it in 1949 from a Mr. Holland in Myrtle Springs, Texas. It is in good condition so not a lot of work to be done to the Super A, maybe a new paint job, new tires, tool box and battery box.

I got the idea of fixing up some of the old equiptment that he had and I remembered the old transplanter that was sitting outside the barn. Dug thru the poison ivy and found it, not in to bad of shape after about 30 years of sitting there. On the tag it has....

New Idea Inc.
Lot No. T74
Coldwater, Ohio

When I was about 12 (48 now) I remember setting out plants with the thing. Has two "sleds" you sit in. In the middle at the front it has two metal wheels and I think there was a thing that opened the ground and then two more wheels that packed the dirt around the plants after they were stuck in the ground. Theres a large water tank at the back with a seat on top of it that lifts off where you add the water. A hose comes out the bottom and then runs to the front, thats rusted out but still there. Tank looks about 50 gallons.

I remember when I used it we didnt have the water tank on there and instead had something there that held the transplants (If I remember right). Old cultivator wheels are buried about three inches in the ground, trees grown up around it as well.

Anyone else have one of these transplanters? I dont guess there are any parts available?

Also found an old thing that was used to raise roses out of the ground after they had grown a year. Its a heavy (100 lbs. or more), oval shape about three feet tall. The metal on the thing is about 6 inches wide and has a short "lip" sticking out the back on the bottom that gives it the "lift" to get the plants roots loose. Any idea what its called?

Oh, that old Super A tractor, it's at the shop in Myrtle Springs (same town it was purchased at). Carbarator needed cleaning. Cant wait to get it back and drive it around town.

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Stephen in SOKY

06-04-2006 20:13:36




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 ! in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-30-2006 09:39:32  
We also used ours, powered by a AC G, to plant garden. 1 person rode setter dropping seed into furrow created by setter, then closing wheels covered perfectly. Certainly beats a gooseneck hoe!



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Rose Smith

06-01-2006 20:07:03




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-30-2006 09:39:32  
I just finished copying the instruction manual, parts and price list, fertilizer attachment instructions, and the booklet for the No. 5 New Idea transplanter. I'll mail it after work tomorrow. It's all in black and white. There wasn't much color anyway, and I posted the color photo with the implement photos on this website. The colors are faded on it. The green is dark - almost an Oliver green and the orange is brighter and darker. The plant setter we have was almost all green, including the wheels. The plant boxes were wooden and painted orange, and the water tank was just galvanized with red lettering, as in the photo. On what looks like a zinc tag located on the frame behind the water tank is: The New Idea Spreader Co. Lot No. T67 Coldwater, Ohio
It was purchased new in 1932, so yours must be newer than ours. We couldn't find a regular serial number on it. If you need dimensions of plant boxes or close-ups of hardware on the boxes or where they attach, let me know. Any information out there on the Bemis transplanter? From the looks of the machines, I think I'd prefer working on the New Idea rather than the Bemis.

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SuperA-Tx

06-02-2006 11:10:20




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to Rose Smith, 06-01-2006 20:07:03  
I look forward to the book Rose.

Merrill, I can see how the chains would get in the way and thats probly why the row markers are gone. Besides in our kind of business (nursery) you make the beds (rows) for the roses so there would be no need for the markers as you would have to plant in the beds.

Rose, I would like to have the measurements for the boxes and hardware if it isnt to much trouble.

I will try and get some pictures posted of the planter in the next day or two.

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Rose Smith

06-02-2006 16:46:32




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to SuperA-Tx, 06-02-2006 11:10:20  
I'll get the dimensions of the boxes and pictures of the hardware on them and the transplanter. The row markers are still with our New Idea, but they weren't used much if at all - the paint is pretty much still intact on them. I'll get back to you with the information. res



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Mark in Mizzou

05-31-2006 11:24:28




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-30-2006 09:39:32  
Super-A, Yes, you have a NI #5. Here in NW MIssouri I've spent many hours setting Burley tobacco with one of these. Tobacco plants were "pulled" from a hot bed, wrapped in burlap then "set" (transplanted) in the tobacco "patch". Once plentyful in this neck of the woods, these were replaced with newer "finger" setters sonetime ago. If you need parts I'd suggest checking out message boards under burley or tobacco web sites. Good Luck.

Mark Hill
Dearborn,MO

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SuperA-Tx

05-31-2006 15:36:40




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to Mark in Mizzou, 05-31-2006 11:24:28  
Thanks everyone!

Well you will never believe it but I found another planter just like the other one (I think) in a differant part of the farm. The tank on this one is gone but its the one I used back when I was a kid. The wood platform I remembered is built over where the water tank was.

Havent found the tag on this newest find, it may be there but the poison ivy was knee deep. Luckly no chiggers as of yet, I hate those pesky things.

I told the foreman to get both of them out and drag them behind my house where I can check em out better.

I think the only thing I will need are new water tanks, or maybe just one tank and use one planter for parts. I will probably get the best one sand blasted and see what all I have to do and work from there.

Merrill, would the green be the color of John Deer Green?

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Merrill,Jr.

06-01-2006 04:57:41




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-31-2006 15:36:40  
No, I'm actually a JD man but in times of need or money you buy what you can get. Its hard to admit but the best equipment wasn't built by one manufacture alone. It is a very dark green, kinda like a evergreen, John Deere is to light. I don't know the name of the color NI used but some of these people out there that fixup old manure spreaders would know. I did see a picture in "Implement Alley" of one, I think I searched under "transplanter".

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Merrill,Jr.

06-01-2006 05:00:39




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to Merrill,Jr., 06-01-2006 04:57:41  
Sorry, it in "Implement Photos"



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Merrill ,Jr.

05-31-2006 06:17:39




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-30-2006 09:39:32  
I purchased what I believe to be a newer version of your planter in 1992 from a high school friends grandfather for $150. New Idea # 5, Lot # T-92, Serial # T-12377. Has a factory steel tractor tounge in front. We used to plant tobacco in Maryland, it actually plants very well in nicely worked soil, doesn't pack around the plant as well in cloddy land. Mine has a wooden box for each side with a medal bracket with two adjustments slots that fit over a flat spike to hold the plants in front of you. Your boxes have either rotted away or could be in the barn or shed. All the steel is a dark green with orange plant boxes & orange wheel bearing covers, the barrel is galvenized with New Idea No. 5 in red letters on the front of it. The only thing I never liked about it is the length, takes alot of room at the end of the field to turn it around, can't just lock the tractor brake & spin it around like the old corn planter. We have another one sitting in the woods that my father used growing up with the front wheel you speak of, that is a horse drawn model. He says they took that wheel off because you could turn it around with the tractor, the wheel would hang up & drag because of it trying to turn & the hitch at the drawbar turning also. There isn't much left it, I think we did get a sprocket of it because one of mine had a chipped tooth. My father & I both liked this planter better than the old Bemis I have sitting in the woods now, It may not look like it... but it was more comfortable & planted better. My leg use to fall asleep on the Bemis & you were very jammed up between the fenders. If you've ever seen one the design between the two are totaly different. Anyway, thats my thoughts & experience with one, have fun playing with yours.

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Rose Smith

05-30-2006 14:10:13




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-30-2006 09:39:32  
My father bought a brand new New Idea transplanter in 1932. My brothers and I dug it out of the granary where it sat for decades and took it to our local tractor show. It also has a barrel set on its side with a seat on top of it for the operator, and the two "comfortable seats" (according to the manual that came with it) for the ones working with the plants. Ours also has a fertilizer tank, and it gives a dollop of fertilizer and water as it opens the ground for the plant and then closes up around the plant. Dad grew a lot of cabbage and tomatoes, some of which he sold to the CCC camps in the area. I doubt if you can find parts, but we have a parts list and manual for it. The next week we went to another show and my brother bought at auction a Bemis transplanter built in Madison, Wisconsin in 1892. We would like to find out more about this company and their implements. I can scan the manual or parts list for the New Idea if you need it. res

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SuperA-Tx

05-30-2006 15:30:43




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to Rose Smith, 05-30-2006 14:10:13  
I know my father didnt start raising plants until after W.W. II and then got called back in the Korean War. He bought his first tractor in 1949 so I figure he purchased that planter about the same time. Of course the planter could have been a used one when he got it and therefore been a earlier model.

I would love to have the manual to see if its the same and maybe date my planter.

Those "comfortable seats"? I think we had some toe sacks (burlap bags) we used for padding. I have wondered if it actually came with any kind of padding because I remember there wasnt any when I used it back 35 or so years ago. But I remember how much fun it was because the ground was right there and you could just reach out and let your hand drag along the ground. Kind of like sledding in dirt.

I will email you my mailing address.

Randy

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Rose Smith

05-30-2006 18:51:50




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-30-2006 15:30:43  
It will take me a few days to get the manual from my brother and scan it, but I"ll send it your way soon. I chuckled at the booklet - they showed it hooked up to horses, mules, a Fordson, a Cultor (spelling?) and a Farmall Regular. It could work with whatever you had. I"ll post (if I can make it work) a picture of it from the booklet on the Implement Photos gallery. res



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SuperA-Tx

06-06-2006 11:57:25




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to Rose Smith, 05-30-2006 18:51:50  
Rose, I got the manual today! Thank you so much!

I see they have a parts list and that water tank is listed, $11.00. Doesnt sound like a bad price.

I like that picture where it has the Cultor Tractor motor mounted to the planter and the guy is sitting in the water tank seat driving. Look at those spikes in the wheels, they ment business.

This gives me a good idea of everything. I had not even thought about who sits in that seat on the tank before the other day when I was showing it to a friend.

I take it the control lever that sticks up to the right of the driver on the water tank seat is for the water. Mine is missing.

Thanks again Rose

Randy

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Merrill,Jr.

06-07-2006 12:17:54




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to SuperA-Tx, 06-06-2006 11:57:25  
I think the lever at the side of the water tank was for the driver to raise & lower the planter at the ends of the field. On the later tractor drawn models the lever was located where the left side transplant dropper would raise & lower the planter, with a helper lever for the person sitting on the right.



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Rose Smith

06-06-2006 13:39:29




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to SuperA-Tx, 06-06-2006 11:57:25  
Glad it got there ok. I just got my photos developed and will send closeups of the plant boxes and hardware. How about the Farmall pulling 4 transplanters at one time?



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SuperA-Tx

06-09-2006 14:10:27




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter in reply to Rose Smith, 06-06-2006 13:39:29  
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I posted four pictures in the Impliment Photos Section of the Transplanters.

On one I have an arrow pointing to a "clip" and was wondering if that is where the boxes fit.

The old 1987 Pickup is mine. LOL Thing still runs good tho.

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SuperA-Tx

06-01-2006 11:33:32




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter - Continued in reply to Rose Smith, 05-30-2006 18:51:50  
Update on the planters....

The older planter which is in better condition is model T74.

The newer one is No.5 Lot No. T91 Serial No. T1160

It appears both were made to be drawn by horses but the T91 has been made to work with a tractor.
When they got the T74 unstuck they pulled it around to my house with a golf cart, I couldnt believe it would even roll after all that time.

On the T74 it has one arm in the middle to lift the furrow opener and on the T91 there are two handles where each person planting could lift it. Only the person on the left hand side had the release the other guy just lifted.

Rose, I saw your picture of the planter and it looks like it might be like my T91. The lifter bar on the T74 sticks up pretty high but the lifter bars on the T91 are lower.

The bars that marked the rows are gone on both but the little brackets that hold the arms are still there.

I also found some orange paint left on the hubs as described by Merrill. I also found the original paint color under the seats of both planters. Wood supports for the seats were there on both and still were completly painted.

The boxes that held the plants as well as the metal supports for them are gone on both planters. Ill have some built after Rose sends me the book. Dont have much of an idea where they go other than from the picture.

The orange color is about the color of Kubota tractors. The "green" color is not what I would call green, really a teal blue or blue green. You can really see the blue tinge.

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The water tank on the T74 is rusted at both ends. You can see the words "New Idea" embossed on the metal of the water tank. Theres even a strainer inside the tank.

The man bought my Farmall Super A back so I am headed out to make sure it runs. Thanks for all yalls help!

Randy

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Merrill,Jr.

06-02-2006 07:12:57




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 Re: New Idea Transplanter - Continued in reply to SuperA-Tx, 06-01-2006 11:33:32  
The row markers will be easy, mine were missing too. The chains,hook & latches were still there. Just use a piece of small steel pipe, drill a hole through it at the bottom & install a bolt through it into the lower bottom part of the seat, mine already had the holes there from the original markers.Keep it loose enough that you can raise & lower it. I can't tell you what size pipe or length unless I go measure mine but you should be able to figure it out. Then you will need a hole about half the length of the arm for the chain, the other end of the chain hooks towards the front of the seat. This chain holds the marker from bending backwards when you have the them in the soil. I used marker ends from a n IH corn planter on the end of the marker to scratch a track in the dirt. Works just like the original, only problem is you have to lower the marker to get on & off the planter because the chain is in the way when the marker is up. The previous owner drove by the tractor tire track when planting & took of the markers, we looked all over the barn but over the years they had gotten lost.

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