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OT : calving paralysis

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Teddy (punchie)

05-30-2006 04:15:29




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I have a heifer that had trouble calving, loss calf and took us hours to pull the calf. He was about 95-100 pounds from a 1200 pound heifer. Calf should have been 75-80 tops. Genex Lucky Dice .

How long should we wait for this to pass, Patch's (her name) Does eat and drink well and does try to walk and made it from field to barn ( 500 ft.) but not to the shall. So she is in a stanction area and we tried for 3 hours to move her last evening. We were going to try to get her to a calving shall I have, but were not able.

How long should we wait for her to recover? Pain I would say around 5 or so on a scale to 10, is eating and clam and had a vet come and check her, but most of our vets are horse vets and not cattle people.

As all ways any and all Opinions welcome. Thanks !!
Teddy

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barnrat

05-30-2006 17:17:26




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 Re: OT : calving paralysis in reply to Teddy (punchie), 05-30-2006 04:15:29  
Sorry I missed this post, hope I'm not to late. When I used to mess with pure bred Holstiens I had this problem all the time with first calf heifers. first thing I would do is get her outside or in a box stall with a good pen pack surface so shes got good footing. Make sure shes comforatble with good air quality and lots of cool fresh water. Soft grass hay and or calf starter grain(the kind with molasses in it). Watch her temp if it goes low get some calcium in her. A shot of Dexamethazone(even a horse vet should have that) does wonders for nerve damage caused by a difficult calving. One thing else keep her away from that stantion until she can get up and down all right, she need to be able to walk around to help work the nerve damage out.

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Case Lady

05-30-2006 10:02:14




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 Re: OT : calving paralysis in reply to Teddy (punchie), 05-30-2006 04:15:29  
if she hasn't gotten up by this evening on her own, you need to build, borrow or buy a set of "hip hooks" - round things that will fit over her hip bones and tighten down to the point that they won't slip off her hip bones and lift her up (front end loader works best) so that her back feet are under her in a somewhat normal position. Let her stand on all fours as long as she can. The more movement and circulation she gets into these muscles the better. Typically a dairy will have a set of these hooks, if you have a dairy farm close by, I would check with them. We have had cows go down and have managed to save all but one. Good luck. CL

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paul

05-30-2006 08:50:30




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 Re: OT : calving paralysis in reply to Teddy (punchie), 05-30-2006 04:15:29  
A nerve gets damaged in their back half. If it doesn't heal up (anti-swelling medication could've helped, but then you can't butcher if she doesn't come out of it) in 4-5 days, the chances become very remote that she will walk again. She'll look fine as you describe, but the internals will slowly deteriate & she will go cold one day.

Keeping her moving, with a lifter or at least rolled side to side as others say does a lot to help. She'll put here hind leg to sleep, and even if the nerve damage improves, she won't be able to get up with a stiff leg....

--->Paul

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JMS/MN

05-30-2006 07:03:40




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 Re: OT : calving paralysis in reply to Teddy (punchie), 05-30-2006 04:15:29  
Be glad that she did not make it to the stall. Being out on dirt is much better for her. Dirt (floor) is much easier to get up on. That's why we had a dirt floor maternity pen in the barn. Well-bedded when the inspecter was due, so she couldn't see lack of concrete. Saved many animals. Do you have a hip lifter and raise her 1-2 times a day? Roll her from side to side twice a day, prop her up with bales if she can't maintain position. Don't want to put undue stress on internal organs. Might take a week to get her up, beyond that- time to decide what to do with her. Keep track of her temp- use aspirin to lower it- 20-30 aspirin, (pulverize and drench) or buy the cow aspirin. If temp is not over 103, should be ok to butcher if it comes to that choice.

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Teddy (punchie)

05-30-2006 07:50:38




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 Re: OT : calving paralysis in reply to JMS/MN, 05-30-2006 07:03:40  
Yes I would say for her to stay out side only trouble is it in the 90.0's here and whent from 60's to 90's in a few days. She gets out in the sun and can not make it to shade and over heats.

Stall she needs get in to is rough and I mean rough concete and I have about 6 " of old hay and fresh hay over that. I use it from time to time for holding and checking cattle.

She moved on her own last night and ate all the hay and most of the grain that was left for her and is drinking 10-13 gals/daily and eating around 5-7 pounds / daily grain, and is calm and in good mood looks out side at the rest of the cows like she would like to be with them. Just too darn hot.

Thanks !! Teddy

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JMS/MN

05-30-2006 08:25:26




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 Re: OT : calving paralysis in reply to Teddy (punchie), 05-30-2006 07:50:38  
Can you pull a high wagon near her for shade, or throw a tarp across a couple with her between? I'd keep plenty of roughage in front of her rather than lotsa grain- easier on the gut. Granted the grain gives her energy, but you need to keep the rumen full of roughage to keep from impacting her- her bowels are not in their normal state when crunched on the ground. Our other maternity pen was concrete, and no matter how much bedding was used, it's still tougher on an animal than plain dirt. Her moving around is definately a positive sign. Just a matter of time then before she gets up. Good luck! (How about putting 6 inches of dirt on that floor, and then bedding?)

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Teddy (punchie)

05-30-2006 19:47:14




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 Re: OT : calving paralysis in reply to JMS/MN, 05-30-2006 08:25:26  
She has moved at least 4 times today. Late feeding she was turned around facing a different direction. She is boxed into a old dirt center of the barn. I tried for about 30 minutes to try to get her to the shall, she wants nothing to do with the hard cement. Just stood and looked at me like, I'm not going over there, bring that bucket back so I can eat the feed. If she is happy at that spot I guess she can stay there.

The vet did give me a shot(to give her) and he gave her one the day he was here. Not sure of the name, but it sounds like the same type or the same as Banamine 10 cc ( 1200 pounds )

The feed is eared corn and oats , and mixed with ground corn chop 3 to 1, eating about 10-15 pounds/day of hay.

We did just as you shared when she was calving (hay wagon and tarps) and also places cold water over her, to cool her after calf was out. Also cover all areas that can be walked on that are smooth with lime today.

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Michael Soldan

05-30-2006 04:59:45




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 Re: OT : calving paralysis in reply to Teddy (punchie), 05-30-2006 04:15:29  
Punchie, sorry you lost the calf. My experience, the cow may just need some quiet and time, if she doesn't want to move about she may be in pain and weak, give her another day and see if she makes a notion to move. I've had heifers calve and be down and not move for most of a day, since you had a vet check her I'm thinking time will tell. I'd say that her movement so far(from field to the barn) is a good sign..... ...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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