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Followupm on 214T.

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Loren

05-29-2006 18:12:14




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Did some more investigation and found 3 possible issues. First, the adjustment I did on the swipes that move the twine rearward onto the billhook(crescent shaped on top of the chamber) is wrong. Both of these swipes/levers/whatever they are are scraping the side of the needles in their travel. Second, with the needles being up and under the chamber so far I threaded by feel. Ooops. There are 2 holes for the twine to pass through the end of the needles. Right side is threaded towards the end, left side in the bottom hole. Which hole should they be using? I'm thinking using the bottom(towards the needle mount) since that's the one that's functioning correctly?? Third, the billhooks are timed about 10 degrees different. The right side(problem child at the moment) is ahead of the left. I shined it up some more and loosened the hook tension one turn, did a hand crank cycle and they both tied. So, until I get to JD afterwork, can someone tell me which hole in the end of the needles to use, and what to do for checking the timing on the hooks? Thanks, Loren.

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big jt

05-29-2006 18:42:38




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 Re: Followupm on 214T. in reply to Loren, 05-29-2006 18:12:14  
Glad to hear you may hae found some of the problems.

Alot of times a knotter will work on a hand cycle and give fits when under power. You can still use the hand cycle to find the problem you just need to move it through the knot portion of the cycle real slow and watch closely.

Now you say one set of bill hooks is timed 10 Degrees ahead of the other. Are you talking about the bill hook rotation or the driver gear rotation? Are they ahead of each other at rest? If they are off at rest is one loose?

Any one of these is probably your problem but two are somewhat more complicated than the other.

The easiest would be if one is loose. Just adjust the drive gear shaft to take up the slack.

If they are tight and one is ahead at rest you have a bill hook shaft that is twisted. Might be best to look into replacing them both.

If they are in the same position at rest and one starts turning before the other, Hang on, you need to replace the drive gear shaft because it is twisted.

I know the second two options were not what you probably wanted to hear but thems the facts.

As to your threading issue I can"t help much except to say that the most logical path is probably the right answer.

HTH

jt

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Loren

05-29-2006 19:09:30




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 Re: Followupm on 214T. in reply to big jt, 05-29-2006 18:42:38  
At rest they are the same. I'm going to run another cycle and confirm that and get back to you.



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Loren

05-29-2006 19:20:20




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 Re: Followupm on 214T. in reply to Loren, 05-29-2006 19:09:30  
Don't even need to run a cycle. I can see that the right side drive drum/gear is ahead of the left just looking at it. Assume they are keyed to the shaft? Do you know what configuration the shaft is? Straight, single diameter shaft with keyways or are there steps and/or other parts fastened to it? I do machine work whenever I get the chance.



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big jt

05-29-2006 21:46:06




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 Re: Followupm on 214T. in reply to Loren, 05-29-2006 19:20:20  
Sounds like you found the main problem. Don't know what the previous owner said but I would bet my bottom dollar that that machine was not tying correctly when used last.

As stated before my knotter experience is with binders so I am not real familiar with the 214 T. Just know for things to work correctly a series of events have to happen in the proper sequence and if something is loose or out of time even a little they won't and things won't work no matter how much you adjust tensions.

As to making that shaft just look at what you have and go from there. When you are at the dealers Tuesday price and check on availability of both the shaft and the drive gears. You might be suprised, occasionally the green paint is affordable. Reason I suggest the gear is you may very well have a worn keyway. Would cause the same sort of problem. If memory serves me right those gears just float on that shaft so there is no good way to tighten other new keyways ie new gears/shaft.

I must admit I enjoy doing machine work also. But if I can buy the parts at a reasonable price I will usually do that. If you can disassemble your baler before talking to mother Deere that would be best then you will know what you need.

HTH

jt

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Loren

05-30-2006 21:01:32




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 Re: Followupm on 214T. in reply to big jt, 05-29-2006 21:46:06  
Ok, the more I think about it the possible twisted shaft wouldn't cause this. The shaft would be twisted between the two knotters since they don't line up rotation wise. The if that's the case then the left knotter would be "out" since the drive is from the right side. The right knotter is the one fussing with me. I loosened up the hook tension one turn and ran a hand driven cycle, both tied. I called JD and learned a manual is a 2&1/2 week affair. wunerful
Supposed to start raining again tonight and this evening the skeeter were out full strength so I passed on battling them. Maybe between rain bouts they won't be a problem the next couple days so I can get back at it. Thanks for the help fellas.

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