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Randy as in nRa

05-26-2006 15:19:06

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that isn't in the forcast but will happen anyway . The 990 did good . The pushover bar is all the way up and in and it was pushing the alfalfa over . Some of it got to 30" since I didn't get it cut last Monday like I hoped and I found a couple buds just starting to emerge this morning . The hay height varied from about 8" in some areas of the field that had the new seeding to over 40" grass in the three year old stand with the alfalfa . I talked to Co-op this morning and they're going to put about 100lbs of nitrogen per acre on next week and some more P and K also . a total of 2100 lbs for 6 acres . Then the plan is for another N application after the third cutting of the same amount . I might throw some lime down this fall too because I need to raise the ph about a half a point . Last year I only got about 1.5 ton per acre for the full year - dismally disappointing . By the first cutting next year I want it up to 3- 4+ ton per acre . This year I'm trying to hedge my expectations . I doubt I'll get 150 bales from this cutting . It'll probably be closer to 100 bales . Just gotta wait and see what the fertilizer does for it this summer if we can get it on just before a rain .

The Oliver still has me worried . It's got 74 hours on the total ( and totally expensive ! ) rebuild but the oil pressure went down to 10 psi at idle after 3 hours of mowing and it runs at only 30 psi at 2400 rpm . A new spring and relief valve was put in before the engine was started . The manual calls for 25 - 45 psi but I was hoping that with all new everything in the engine that it would be closer to the high side than the low side . The oil pump was checked and is OK . I'm running Rotella 15w-40 oil . Oil has been changed twice and so has the filter . Maybe I shouldn't worry so much ? Everyone have a safe and enjoyable Memorial weekend ! ...Randy

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IaGary

05-27-2006 04:41:18

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Randy as in nRandy-IA, 05-26-2006 15:19:06

I'm no expert but why so much nitrogen on alfalfa.

If its a grass mix hay thats OK.

Alfalfa needs P and K not nitrogen.

I use no nitrogen on my alfalfa just on my grass or alfalfa grass mix hay and pastures.

Just my thoughts Gary

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Randy as in Randy-IA

05-27-2006 14:32:21

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to IaGary, 05-27-2006 04:41:18

Hi Gary , It is in a mix but because there's no more than an acre of it in the field and my wife said that the horses don't need that high of quality hay it can get crowded out . They're efficient hay burners , arab's mostly . Some is fine for the coldest day's so 0 - 60 bales or so is enough . I need to get the grass fertilized and the part of the field that the alfalfa is in is only 138' wide so instead of trying to avoid it I told them to just do the whole field . Their truck spreads 50'and the alfalfa takes up about the north half of that field so it's going to get some reguardless . That 2 acre parcel never got any feed last year when the seed was put down with the fertilizer on the other 4 acres . ...Randy

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Don-Wi

05-26-2006 22:22:49

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Randy as in nRandy-IA, 05-26-2006 15:19:06

I just started cutting yesterday, I don't have the Hesston feidl ready yet so I got out the NI and went at it. This feild and another are gonna get plowed under and are gonna be corn, this is the better of the 2 feilds... JUst a few Dan-de-lions!!
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Randy as in Randy-IA

05-26-2006 23:08:52

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Don-Wi, 05-26-2006 22:22:49

Hi Don , I have a fairly small computer screen but it looks like you're getting a better stand than I am . It looks like you drop it in a windrow . I just swath mine . I like to rake , to me that's the fun part of making hay but then I have the time to rake only 6 acres a couple of times to get the windrows the way I want them . As for the dandy - lions just feed the hay to horses , they love those weeds , at least ours do but then our mustang loves canadian thistle too . Have a good weekend ! ...randy

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Don-Wi

05-27-2006 07:00:52

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 05-26-2006 23:08:52

This feild is worse than it looks- It does have some good spots of alfalfa, but it also has a lot of bare spots full of weeds and grass, so it's getting plowed under. The good hay is going to be well over the knock-down bar, it's ussually taller than the machine!

The first feild I cut was nothing worth braggin about, so that one is first on my plowing list. Should have been plowed under 2 years ago already....

As for feeding it to the horses... We don't have any, so it's going to the girls. Probably mostly to the heifers because they're our garbage disposal. It really doesn't make too bad of hay though.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Iowa Jim

05-26-2006 20:16:53

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Randy as in nRandy-IA, 05-26-2006 15:19:06

Rich:

Why are you planning to put #200 of N on your alfalfa? The research I have read shows a detriment when topdressing N over alfalfa.

Jim

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Randy as in Randy-IA

05-27-2006 00:35:57

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Iowa Jim, 05-26-2006 20:16:53

Hi Jim , It's me that's going to put N on the alfalfa not Rich . I only have about an acre of it and I don't need it there or want it there anymore . Also , everthing I've read about alfalfa say's that it doesn't need N after it gets the nodules that help it fix N from the atmosphere but I've also read that N won't hurt it any at all because it'll just use the N that's been applied instead . N applied to young plants before they they get those nodules will delay and reduce the plants ability to fix N from the atmosphere but it will still use the applied N but only if there is adequite(sp) P and K . Since my stand is in a mix I'd rather have the grass instead of the alfalfa . I'm not going to plow it under but if it gets crowded out that's OK . I'm putting P and K on it too so it'll be fine . It might even get to that 3' mark that Rich was talking about . I pulled my spike drag over it last fall about three times with the spikes at 90* right after the third cutting . It was twice as thick this year than it was the last two years . But I didn't take a 4th cutting off it and it grew to about 2' tall before frost killed it . Then a couple months ago I burned the field off . Everyone told me that that would kill it for sure . It didn't . The crowns never burned . I burn my ditches every year and every year I have a good alfalfa crop in them . I just can't harvest it . Over the years I've learned to challenge what I consider as being old wives tales . Sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not . I guess I got lucky on this one . But don't try this at home I'm a professional dunce on a closed course ;) Have a good Memorial weekend ....Randy

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Cliff Neubauer

05-26-2006 18:54:31

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Randy as in nRandy-IA, 05-26-2006 15:19:06

We started mowing today and as usuall within a couple hours the chance of rain went for 20% to 40% but you'd never hear me complain about a nice half inch now that all the crops are in. This afternoon dad was mowing hay, I was spraying corn and my brother was side dressing corn and sometimes we must look like a bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off. The other day somebody told me now that we had our crops planted all we had to do was sit back and watch them grow, I didn't know how to react but that was on Tuesday and I'd already worked more hours this week than he did at his job all week and I've worked another 40 hours since then but most people who aren't self employed don't realize that not everybody has another shift to take over when you quit for the day.

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Randy as in Randy-IA

05-26-2006 22:12:33

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 05-26-2006 18:54:31

Hi Cliff , I'm finding out that a farmers job is never done . Just to many things to maintain . They are talking rain for around here tomorrow . My hay got rained on last year and it took a week to get it in the barn but it turned out OK , at least it didn't kill the horses and they put on weight over the winter . Have a restful weekend , it sounds like you've earned it ! ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

05-26-2006 16:27:18

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Randy as in nRandy-IA, 05-26-2006 15:19:06

If we didn"t have rain in our forecast this weekend and early next week, I"d be real tempted to mow my hay. That is a wide variety of heights in your field, mine is all one height, SHORT!!! The grass is about 2-2 1/2" tall and what alfalfa there is, is only a foot at the most. I made a delivery to a house out in the country one day last week and started looking at their stand of alfalfa, 3+ feet tall, nice thick stand. I allmost broke down and cried. I"ve allmost decided to put nitrogen on after my first cutting, the mostly grass mix is looking pale green. I think I had 160 bales on the first cutting last year The second cutting was terrible, something like 90-100 bales on 5 acres of 7 year old stand of hay.

As for the Oliver, you have a 1755 diesel right? I don"t know if this has anything to do w/ your problem, but when you were breaking in the engine, did you keep it at a steady rpm, or did you speed it up and down and give it a light load? Again, I don"t know if that would be causing your oil pressure problem. Did it do that before you rebuilt the engine? If so, it may be something as simple as the gauge isn"t working right. I don"t remember what my 1650 runs at, but that does seem kinda low.

Sorry for not getting back to you on my last post. I have cousins that live north, south and in Allison, and one that lives in Bristow. One of my cousins was saying there is a dairy over by Clarksville that runs a couple trucks and allways seems to be looking for driver, can"t remember the name though. I really like the area, but finding a job I"d enjoy w/ decent wages and benefits seems to be a bit of a challenge. Enjoy your 4 day weekend.

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Randy as in Randy-IA

05-26-2006 18:14:47

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-26-2006 16:27:18

Hi Rich , Not a problem on the return post :) I sometimes don't even remember that I posted so I don't go back to look for them . And most of the time I type out a post and then just delete it because it doesn't read back to me right . Is that clear as mud ? Can't answer on the dairy name . There's a large dairy farm on the east side of clarksville ( Jensen's ) but they don't haul as far as I know . They are my sisters neibors . But the feed mill in town might need a driver . Schmadeke feed mill I think it's called . They're on the north edge of town on the east side of the road . It's worth a try . I live on the next gravel road north of there . And a number of miles to the east . I don't get to Clarksville much . It's in the wrong direction for me .

Low to no oil pressure is part of why I rebuilt the engine . I found spun bearings in the wrist pins and in the big end of the rods . And the sleeves started leaking coolant into the crankcase .
I considered the gauge this morning but decided that because it was reading higher when it was just started and as the oil got warm and the pressure went down that it couldn't be the gauge . As for the engine break in , I drove it from where it was rebuilt about 4 miles to the Deere dealer and put it on the dyno for an hour with varying loads . They were in charge of the break in - I left for that hour . I got back and they did a power run and told me that it wasn't turning at rated rpm under a load so it only came out with 84 HP . It was a couple hundred rpm slow . I never worried about that . It's got more HP than I'll ever use . Then I drove it home about 11 miles and used it on light loads such as mowing and raking and pullining the baler till this spring when I took it out and plowed with it all day a few weeks ago . Pulled down a few times till it was blowing black smoke for a couple hundred feet at a time . Never got more than about 1/8th of an inch into the black on the temp gauge . Right where it should be on that . But it was a cold day out then . This morning it was in the high 80's with a high humidity .

You had to tell me about alfalfa that was three feet tall didn't you ? thought that mine was pretty good :( OH well , let's hope that the fertilizer does it's thing for the second cutting . The co-op told me not to waste time on a second soil test this soon . P and K don't work very fast through the soil so it would be at least a year before any benefit came of it . And that's just because it was a top dressing last fall . I should have plowed it down but didn't know any better I guess . Besides , Last year I was very impatient to get this grass growing , now I regret that impatience . Kind of like mowing today , The new seeding wasn't ready to be mowed but I want to get the fertilizer on it . It won't grow without food and it has no food right now so it is a catch 22 situation . It's had plenty of moisture . I think N will bring it around . But it's going to get more of everything . A hefty complete feed as it were . My goal is to put about 200lbs an acre of N on through the course of the year and see how it handles it . But I have to get the P and K up there too so it can use the N to full advantage . P and K won't burn the way N will if it's over applied . But at these rates that's not an issue .

I'm looking for a affordable pto single axle manure spreader in very good condition so I can get the horse manure out there . Nothing to big since I'll have to load it with a shovel by hand . I've got 17 years worth of horse manure stored and it's well composted and ready to work . But spreaders don't seem to sell for what I want to pay for one .

Well this turned into a very long post , sorry , I get carried away with the details . Enjoy the weekend ! ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

05-27-2006 21:41:18

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 05-26-2006 18:14:47

Sorry about telling you about the 3 foot alfalfa, but don"t feel bad, my alfalfa is bad too. I might put a little nitrogen on after the first cutting to help the grass out. I"m allways amazed at what a little fertilizer can do. Seeing how I"m working my dad"s place, I don"t want to put to much into the ground becuse I know i won"t be staying there much longer. I"ll have to check with the feed mill over there next time i get up there. Sounds like you sort of live between Clarksville and Plainfield. My mom grew up on a dairy farm near Plainfield, allways thought it"d be cool to buy my grandpa"s old place and get it back in the family again. With the price of good farmland, don"t think it"ll happen. How far do you drive to work everyday?

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Illinois Farmall

05-26-2006 17:04:29

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-26-2006 16:27:18

I hear ya on the rain. I finally got my grass hay baled after 10 straight days of rain. I have belt deep clover that needs to be cut but they"re calling for rain for the next 5 days....again. My grass hay was so thick I had to single windrow it so the baler (NH 268) could handle it and I still had a couple of plug ups. Would be much easier if I had a tractor with a live pto....my Super M doesn"t. Thinking about borrowing my neighbors IH656 for the clover as it"s going to be just as thick if not thicker. Good luck to everyone with their hay this year!

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Randy as in Randy-IA

05-26-2006 18:29:30

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Illinois Farmall, 05-26-2006 17:04:29

Hi , BELT DEEP ? clover !!?? I'd like to see that ! Or are you vertically challenged ? HA-HA . I thought my alfalfa looked pretty good at 30" even though I don't want it or need it . Then Rich posted and burst my happy bubble . He saw a field that the alfalfa was 3 feet deep . I've heard of it but never seen it that deep . Most times it's cut before it gets that tall I guess . But then that's belt deep on a lot of people . If you don't use a moco of some kind you might think about finding one for that thick of clover . It'll mold before it gets dry enough to bale . Good luck and let's hope that the weather let's everybody get their hay up dry . ...Randy

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Illinois Farmall

05-26-2006 21:55:01

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 05-26-2006 18:29:30

If I knew how to post pics on here I would. The orchard grass in it is chest deep! All I have is a sickle mower so pray for me LOL. We've had enough rain here this spring that if it didn't rain the rest of the summer my next cutting would probably just as deep. The way it's going it may be July before it gets cut.

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Randy as in Randy-IA

05-27-2006 00:48:05

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Re: Hay is cut - now waiting for the rain - in reply to Illinois Farmall, 05-26-2006 21:55:01

I'm hoping you have a BIG barn ! LOL ! Good Luck . The radar shows a large storm headed my way . The hays gonna get rained on ! Better now than if it was dry already . I just hope it doesn't have large raindrops in it so the hay doesn't get drove into the ground . If it just gets wet it'll still dry OK . Shouldn't hurt it a bit for horses . Wait and see I guess . Take care !...Randy

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