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Tedder vs. Rake

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Michael Soldan

05-25-2006 16:49:39




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Now I have never used a tedder so this is really more a question than anything. I usually take the first 4 tines off of my rake(16 bolts) and then I can run the tail of the rake on the swath and pretty much flip it upside down, not a lot of speed, but it works very well. I can let the swaths lay and dry on top then early afternoon flip them upside down and get real good drying, it does fluff the hay as well. If you try just raking the swath you only "rope" it. Just curious which way you go, do you feel a tedder is superior to a good rake method?....Mike in Exeter Ontario(PS Do you know what your Blood Pressure is?)

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Hugh MacKay

05-27-2006 03:08:50




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 Re: Tedder vs. Rake in reply to Michael Soldan, 05-25-2006 16:49:39  
Michael: I've tried numerous ways in making hay. I can tell you the demo tedder only stayed around about two days. Those damn things will thrash the leaves off grass almost as quick as alfalfa.

The very best system I encountered, was the 9' haybine and put in right into 3' windrows. You need loads of tractor clearence and wheel tread spacing so your tractor is on the hay little as possible. Wind and breezes dry hay far faster and more effectively than sun alone. Tractor clearence is of the utmost as you want those windrows to stay high and not flatened out by a drawbar and rear housing.

In fact if I were doing this again, the one machine on my farm that would be self propelled in the mower conditioner. They have much better ability of not disturbing those windrows than tractor pulled machines. I got started doing this after I started putting up haylage. I started encountering problems of material getting too dry for haylage. I found if I rolled those windrows 180 degrees, within 3 hours I was baling them. To me the least number of times you handle that hay mechanically the more leaves you save, doesn't matter grass or legume.

I worked a climate where we always had 50%+ humidity. Grass and legume growth in that area was very fast, very rarely were we never cutting less than 4 ton per acre. With any kind of weather it was mow it down one day, turn it next morning and bale it that afternoon. Bear in mind I was using a barn hay dryer. If by chance hay got rained on, I had the silo option.

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Michael Soldan

05-27-2006 05:39:32




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 Re: Tedder vs. Rake in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-27-2006 03:08:50  
Hi Hugh, I kind of do what you did..I use a 9' haybine, let the windrows sit a day, flip them over with the tail of the rake the next day, mid morning and we usually can bale by 5, depends on weather but i agree, a little breeze will magnify the effects of heat and cun and you get quick drying....Mike in Exeter Ontario



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`Bernie in MA

05-26-2006 16:08:02




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 Re: Tedder vs. Rake in reply to Michael Soldan, 05-25-2006 16:49:39  
I only make about 3500 bales, 200-300 a day but seldom get good weather more than 3-4 days in a row. I use a pinwheel rake with 3 wheels down after the moco that leaves a 4' swath. Until I got a Kuhn spin tedder 3 years ago I never moved the hay more than 4' either way. I put a hitch on the rake and pull the Grimm ground-drive tedder/fluffer behind the same time as I rake/flip except the first time when it is too green and last time when I bale. If the humidity is low with a hot breeze I can mow in the AM and bale the next afternoon. And not have to worry about heavy bales.

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Sam (MO)

05-26-2006 08:38:06




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 Re: Tedder vs. Rake in reply to Michael Soldan, 05-25-2006 16:49:39  
Mike
I have a Nh 245 tedder and that all I use. I cut with an old NH478 this is a 7 footer. I can take that tedder in the rake mode and combine two 7's together. Saves so much time. If it rain's I can flip the coggs and ted the hay back out to dry. These machines can be hard on alfalfa, so I alway try to tedd right before I bale.



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hayray

05-26-2006 02:24:11




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 Re: Tedder vs. Rake in reply to Michael Soldan, 05-25-2006 16:49:39  
Michael, I never tedd anything and only rely on the rake. If you have to tedd it then it ain't very good hay weather, think it is a waste of time and money, especially for the price we are getting for hay and the gas exspense, I will wait for better weaher. Each time you handle the hay you loose a significant amount of hay, and after you tedd you still need to rake. If you are roping the hay then you are not positioning your rake right. You should be raking so that you only flip the windrow, not roll it, I spend a lot of time teaching my hay rakers how to flip, not roll, a lot of times if some one is rolling they are not doing any good. And also, the tedder is not supposed to be used on hay that has already cured very much, you will loose up to 15% of your hay real quick.

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Joe-Bob/IN

05-26-2006 09:11:19




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 Re: Tedder vs. Rake in reply to hayray, 05-26-2006 02:24:11  
Different parts of the country mean different styles of hay-makin. Sure you could do without a tedder here but they your hay is layin out in the sun at least one if not two extra days. Losing quality and color. Say you have the same quality hay only difference is part laid an extra day and got sun bleached, try selling that browner hay for the same price as the green hay. Here we mow in the morning, run the tedder the next morning and rake around noon to be baling by 2pm, normally. Obviously sun, wind, and humididy may speed up or slow down the process.

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Hay DR

05-26-2006 05:31:45




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 Re: Tedder vs. Rake in reply to hayray, 05-26-2006 02:24:11  
HAYRAY,
We put up over 1000 acres of grass hay every year and tedd every time. Only 30% of the hay grown in the USA is Alfalfa and tedding it does require moisture in the alfalfa. A disc mower and a tedder is all you need to put up grass hay as fast as anyone. We get 45-60" of rain a year and the normal humidity in the summer is above 50% every day.



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phillip d

05-25-2006 17:24:37




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 Re: Tedder vs. Rake in reply to Michael Soldan, 05-25-2006 16:49:39  
Hi Michael,not to say that I have ever done anthing the rite way,but when we bale up dry hay,we almost always tedd it.Usually cut one afternoon and tedd it early the next morning,depending on the weather of course,you can often rake it up on the third morning late and bale it that afternoon,maybe do it a day quicker?phill.



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