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pwd

05-14-2006 16:35:10

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i've only used a bar rake. just wondered if a wheel rake(ground driven) is any good? i'm looking at buying a heston.

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Bob in NH

05-17-2006 10:46:46

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Re: wheel rake in reply to pwd, 05-14-2006 16:35:10

I have had a JD trailer-type Wheel Rake for over 20 yrs now. Bought it used and with 2 of the wheels pretty beat up. Managed to keep those wheels tgether with reinforcements until I located some unused (but old) replacements about 5 years ago. Mine has 5 raking wheels covered front and back with solid tin skin and has pairs of spring teeth bolted on around the circumference. Love the rake, except the pain of raising/lowering with a crank. Rakes super clean, especially good in my rock infested fields. It always makes great but somewhat fluffy windrows, can be set to flip windrows, etc.

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Chad Franke

05-16-2006 07:47:15

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Re: wheel rake in reply to pwd, 05-14-2006 16:35:10

Growing up we had a set (2) pull type wheel rakes, hooked one after the other. Each had 4 wheels (actually still do, they are sitting at Mom"s place) and did a great job. Better than a bar rake because they are big enough to throw 3 windrows together in 2 passes (one from right, one from the left onto the middle) so that there was enough hay to make the baler work a little. We pulled them with everything from the H to the G705 MM to the 85 Chevy 3/4 ton...basically go as fast as the ground allowed.

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Joe-Bob/IN

05-15-2006 10:42:29

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Re: wheel rake in reply to pwd, 05-14-2006 16:35:10

We have two V-rakes. One a cheap Italian brand that lasted about 8 years through 300 acres of hay and 3 cuttings a year, then it started to break the frame work here and there and everywhere. Been welded a hundred times and now is pretty much wore out. Now have a heavier built Gehl model. Should last much longer. You can rake upto 15 mph if you want! They will do corners if they aren't too tight and the hay isn't too thick. In the thin stuff they tend to put two small rows side by side which it actually a good thing. The Gehl allows you to lock one wing up to flip hay over which does work as long as the rows aren't giant. They will bunch up occasionally. They don't make as good a row with just one wing since there is nothing on the other side to keep the edges smooth. Due in part to these rakes fluffing the hay rather than rolling it into rows.

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RickL

05-15-2006 06:14:31

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Re: wheel rake in reply to pwd, 05-14-2006 16:35:10

Personally I like the wheel rake units. Inlnes are great the v rake style depends on model you get. the units that fold up like a butterfly are cheaper but won't follow the ground as well and will buch in good heavy crop. The New Holland units are nice units(ENROSSI) and fold out in front,can use both halve or one half if setup with the option. I have tried several differnt ones out after assemble and that unit is my choice,otherwise stay with a 9wheel in line unuit and you will be fine. Bar rakes would never go back to now.But they are better in corners if you do alot of that stuff. I do have a very good 6wheel in line unit if that would help for sale as i am going to the V style 16 wheel rig. They seem to be really selling in my area now. they are nice thou. 3 more coming this week to assemble.

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Rexalot

05-15-2006 05:54:12

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Re: wheel rake in reply to pwd, 05-14-2006 16:35:10

I've got an old no name brand 4 wheel rake that mounts on the 3 point. Works ok going in a straight line but will not do around corners without bunching the hay up (dragging). It makes an ok windrow, but for turning the hay already in a windrow it doesn't do the job like I feel it should. 4 wheels (disks) not enough I think.

If I had the $$$ to buy a replacement rake I'd go with a ground driven bar rake. If I stayed with the wheel rake design I suggest one with 5 disks, mounted on wheels with a drawbar. As a teen doing hay for a big cattle farm they had a New Idea 5 -wheel rake and I remember that doing great (and thought that the 4 wheel I bought would be no different)

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hayray

05-15-2006 05:47:41

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Re: wheel rake in reply to pwd, 05-14-2006 16:35:10

That is all I use is a bi-fold wheel rake and Kyhayman and Cowman are right on all that. They are cheaper and almost no maintanence and cover a lot of ground fast. The rakes with the frame to the outside of the wheels will handle hay alot better but are more expensive. I still wish I had a old bar rake, sold them years ago, but I still manage to have no problems 95% of the time with my wheel rake.

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kyhayman

05-15-2006 04:37:46

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Re: wheel rake in reply to pwd, 05-14-2006 16:35:10

They do ok. The inlines ones I like, V wheel rakes I wouldnt have. If the hay is thick they want to pile up and ball up, thin, I want more than 18' in a windrow. I bought one and got shed of it, added a second bar rake and an offset hitch.

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Tx Jim

05-16-2006 04:25:03

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Re: wheel rake in reply to kyhayman, 05-15-2006 04:37:46

kyhayman,did you have a wheel rake with teeth on inside or outside of frame? I have an H&S high capacity bi-fold that I think will rake as good or better than a bar type V-rake. It makes a good/even windrow and will cover 32 ft if hay is thin. I normally rake 3-nine ft. swath from a disc cutter if Coastal Bermuda is making 2-4 rolls/acre. If during drought makeing less than 1 1/2 rolls/acre I spread the 14 wheel rake all the way out. I owned a Vermeer R23 for several years and would not trade my hyd. fold H&S for the manual fold R23 that made tractors hyd oil feel like "cooking oil" Tx Jim

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kyhayman

05-16-2006 07:21:56

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Re: wheel rake in reply to Tx Jim, 05-16-2006 04:25:03

Hi Jim,

I had one of the new style V rakes, teeth on a center hub. It was Hesston branded but I'm not sure the model number. Bought it 2 years old in '96 at an auction and sold it within 6 months. A lot of my neighbors have them and love them.

My bar rakes with the hitch on arent set to V but rather in line. In full mode, pulling both, one trip down and one back, I can get 32' effective in the windrow. My main limitations with the V rake was I have a NH 650 with a 4' wide pickup, in good hay (6-8 rolls per acre) I couldnt get 18' of windrow off a V rake into a 4' wide windrow without it following the rake wheel back over.

It didnt seem to work for me on squares either, the windrows were nice and fluffy, but my square baler, JD336, just seems to like a bit of a twist to the hay to make a consistant bale. That, and with the square baler the windrow was too thick.

I hear what you are saying about the oil. Both mine are ground drive (NH 256's). Thats something that bugged me when I looked at the Vermeers. Wondered hat they would be doing to my trans oil. I'm glad its working for you, H & S makes good stuff. If they had had the inline out when I bought my last new bar rake I might have gotten one of them

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Nebraska Cowman

05-15-2006 03:16:09

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Re: wheel rake in reply to pwd, 05-14-2006 16:35:10

They work OK to rake hay in good conditions but ain't worth a darn to turn heavy windrows. They tend to bunch the hay the 2nd time over.

Even bad boys are just as good as they can be

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`Bernie in MA

05-14-2006 17:42:02

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Re: wheel rake in reply to pwd, 05-14-2006 16:35:10

I've a wheel rake for over 30 years. Wouldn't have any other kind. Stay away from the ones with short teeth on the rim of the wheel. They break, then bounce and break more. I converted my Darf (made by JD) to wheels that have teeth that go thru the rim to a small hub in the center. You can rake as fast as you can stay on the tractor seat and not break any. I chain up all but two wheels to flip the hay over in the AM before I ted it after I rake it the evening before.

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