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lenny b

05-11-2006 15:40:14




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i have a 2 bottom plow for my 3pt. hitch.i have a 8N tractor.can i take off one of the plows and use it as a 1 bottom plow?




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davpal

05-17-2006 23:04:19




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to lenny b, 05-11-2006 15:40:14  
I can answer that first hand because I just did it last year and the answer is NO! If you take a bottom off like I did (back bottom) the plow will not plow straight and it will make a terrible mess. It will try to pull the tractor sideways. It actually pulled two bottoms easier than it did one because of this sideways pulling. And it did not pull two bottoms worth a hoot. Unless you are plowing sand a ford 9n is much better off hooked up to a one bottom 14 or 16 inch plow. You will get a lot more done with one bottom trust me. The tractor will live a much longer life too. It only makes sense. Our farmall super M pulls 3-14's in heavy ground pretty well and a Ford N is not two thirds the tractor of a Super M. More like one third the tractor which equates to a one bottom plow. Simple. Good luck.

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504

05-11-2006 16:15:03




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to lenny b, 05-11-2006 15:40:14  
Yes but the 8-N will pull the two easy.



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Leroy

05-11-2006 16:28:22




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to 504, 05-11-2006 16:15:03  
Not nesseraly so, the plow has to be made correctly to do that and most you can't do that on and a lot of ground 1 bottom is all an 8N can handle



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Glenn F.

05-11-2006 16:27:20




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to 504, 05-11-2006 16:15:03  
NOT in ALL soil conditions. I'll guarentee it won't pull it in our heavy soil(NE WI). Glenn



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Ultradog MN

05-12-2006 15:59:21




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to Glenn F., 05-11-2006 16:27:20  
Dittos Glenn,
My 2N wound not pull 2 -14s in our clay-loam soil central MN. So I found a 1-16 and that was a very good combo.



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Don-Wi

05-12-2006 04:56:25




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to Glenn F., 05-11-2006 16:27:20  
Right on Glenn! It takes our 1855 w/ 105 HP to pull our 4-16 at a decent speed. We used to pull 3-16's with our 285 and then the 1755 till it blew. My grandpa used to pull the 3-16's with the 1600, but it must have been extremely slow going.
Donovan from Wisconsin



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Pooh Bear

05-11-2006 18:28:54




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to Glenn F., 05-11-2006 16:27:20  
I have a 2 bottom plow for my 8N.
2-16 plow so it is really too big for my tractor.
So I just take one of the bottoms off.
Pulls it just fine like that.

Look at the plows and notice which side they turn over soil to.
If the plow throws soil to the right,
then take the left plow off.
This way your tractor tires still line up in the furrow.

I did try using both plows a few weeks back.
We have soft soil and it pulled them just fine.
But I think I still prefer pulling single.

Pooh Bear

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steveormary

05-12-2006 09:17:17




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-11-2006 18:28:54  
We had different soil conditions on the farm but had no trouble pulling 2-14"s with the TO-30.

Have fun steveormary



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Leroy

05-12-2006 14:25:34




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to steveormary, 05-12-2006 09:17:17  
The 8N is a 23 HP tractor while the TO30 is about 29HP, the TO30 is rated at 3-12" compaired to the 8N at 2-12" plows in our type of ground but a lot of the TO30's had the 2-14" plows, those extra 6 HP can do a lot. never had the 8N but have a 2N & 9N now and had a TO30



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Mark

05-12-2006 18:01:56




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to Leroy, 05-12-2006 14:25:34  
Hmmm.

I'd love to see any sub 40 horse tractor yank 2 plows in this KY clay. I'm not talking at mule speed, but making the dirt roll and getting something done. I have a new 55 pto horse 4 wd (green paint) and 3 14's is a load. But then again, I don't like to fool around. 2 16's would be a piece of cake but add that 3rd bottom and you know it's back there. I knew a neighbor that had an older Ford diesel..forget the model..but it was a late 50's-early 60's job and he had 3 12's behind it and I always expected the rods to fly out the sides at any minute. It smoked heavily under the strain and was just too much tail for that dog to wag. Me thinks, that under ideal conditions...like sandy loam, these small tractors can handle 2 bottoms, but for most locations, they are a single bottom tractor. And, nothing wrong with that. No need in smoking the clutch and gutting the engine just trying to brag about yanking a too big plow. Got to remember, for most folks, these old machines replaced a mule or horse and were a quantum leap forward on those small farms. I see all those old advertisements of 50's utility tractors yanking 3 bottoms but you couldn't see them moving in a magazine ad and when they did move, the maker didn't say how fast they went. I could probably take this new Deere, add 3000 pounds of weight, put it in low-low and tie onto a 4-16" and drag it at mule speed. But why?

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randy as in Randy-IA

05-13-2006 12:09:54




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to Mark , 05-12-2006 18:01:56  
Hi All !

What is considered a normal plowing speed more or less ? Does it depend on the type of plow , soil or both ? I have a oliver 565 4-16 with the so called heavy-duty high speed bottoms ( speedex ) . In heavy bt corn trash it seemed to cover better the faster I went . It never covered completely but neither did anyone else there that day . I hit 7 mph at one point when I was about to be passed and I was close to the end of the field so I popped it up from underdrive to overdrive on the 3-speed of the 1755 . That was about all the old girl would do in that wet soil . The temp actually started to go up some and she started dumping a small amount of black smoke . I pulled like that for about 400 feet . I had about 75 hrs on the fresh rebuild . It sounded good to hear it put it's shoulders into it . Same spot on the next go round it just got to wet in that area and I was just spinning till I brought the plow up to about 3" deep . I think I was down to about 8 or 9 inches before that since I haven't got any stops on the hydrualics and never got off to measure the furrows , all I did was drop it full down and go . I looked down into the front furrow from the seat and noticed that I was plowing deeper than the others and they all said they had theirs set at 6-7" . Well anyway , I was just wondering what the average speed was . Thanks ! ...Randy

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Leroy

05-13-2006 14:31:02




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to randy as in Randy-IA, 05-13-2006 12:09:54  
The older plows were designed with the walking speed of a horse in mind and that was from 2 to 3 1/2 MPH and most of the older tractors plowing gear was about the 3 1/2 mph but the new high speed bottoms are designed for at least 5+ mph and you will not find any 1-2-3 bottom plows with the high speed bottoms as those size tractors are not geared that fast



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Randy as in Randy-IA

05-14-2006 06:59:13




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to Leroy, 05-13-2006 14:31:02  
Thanks Leroy , So how are the 4+ bottom plows moldboards different from the others ? Is there less twist to a high speed bottom letting the speed of forward travel throw the dirt over as opposed to just folding it over with a slower speed ? I've seen some moldboards that look like they have a half twist to them and others that barely have any twist at all . Thanks ...Randy



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Leroy

05-14-2006 16:50:40




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 Re: 2 bottom plow in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 05-14-2006 06:59:13  
Never was around the high speed bottoms but I would thing that would be about correct with the high speed being longer.



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