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Questions about plows,disks and drills

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B. Abseck

05-09-2006 11:19:08




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I"m needing information on these implements. If I get the JD 730 with a 3 point, I will be needing these implements. Reference the plow, I see several different kinds. Pull type, semi-mounted, 3 point, roll-overs, disk type and two-way. Also, I see them listed as 3-14s, 3-16s etc.. What is the best type to use and someone PLEASE explain what the 14" and 16" designations mean. Now onto the disks, what would be the best JD model to use behind the 730 and what should I be concerned with when buying a disk? Finally, about the drills. What JD model was a good one for this tractor. I see guys talking about things like 7" spacing and don"t know what this business is all about. Please try to explain this to me.

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Glen in TX

05-09-2006 22:59:10




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to B. Abseck, 05-09-2006 11:19:08  
Hi Bruce, I was wondering if you ever found a 730 yet. Sounds like you got one spotted close now? I never ran across anymore down here lately. Sounds like the others got you covered on plows. I'm forgetting where you are again in Colorado but should be lots of 3 and 4 bottom plows in the San Luis valley area and Alamosa area. My uncle tried to buy all those smaller plows he could down here on auctions when they went to bigger plows here and hauled them to the Alamosa area. As for grain drills those JD model R, DR, DR-A, DR-B with flute feed cups or double run seed cups are hard to beat and will seed a variety of crops when set up properly. With most of them you can plant wheat, oats, barley, rye, milo, haygrazer sudan mix, and even soybeans or corn if set up right. Most of the older JD disk drills having single or double disk openers were set up in 7,8, or 10" spacings. The narrower the spacing the less trash or crop residue you can flow between them too. Here a 10" is kind of a all around spacing used for dryland and irrigated wheat. Many will use 6,7, or 8" spacing on irrigated circles of wheat. Now most plant their irrigated circles under sprinklers flat but when we still irrigated with gated ground lay pipe and listed our ground we needed drills with spacing to fit across the furrow spacings right too without leaving gaps. For dryland wheat here many use a 12" or 10" spacing but other areas also used 10 or even 14" spacing with the hoe drills or chisel type openers. We run 4" shovels at 12" spacing on a gang of JD LZ-812 drills hooked together for dryland wheat. If you find yourself a drill holler back as I've got several manuals and info on those and also a few JD plow manuals. Happy hunting.

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Bruce Abseck

05-09-2006 23:11:16




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to Glen in TX, 05-09-2006 22:59:10  
Glen, Good to hear from you. I just got back from Texas about a week ago. My wife and I were in the area around Chico and Boonesville to visit my brother. We looked at a 720 LP that a man was just finishing up restoring. He told me a fairly complete restore on a 730 LP he had was going to cost approx. $10,000. Way too rich for my blood but he did pretty good work. Anyway, I'm still interested in the 730 LP up in Minnesota and feeling like I'm about to take the plunge. If I do, wish me luck and thanks for your feedback tonight.

B. Abseck

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Glen in TX

05-10-2006 21:01:09




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to Bruce Abseck, 05-09-2006 23:11:16  
Well, I hope you find a good one. Last few I saw were too pricy also I thought. Seems the interest has went up on 720 and 730s lately.



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MN Bob

05-09-2006 14:41:39




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to B. Abseck, 05-09-2006 11:19:08  
Congratulations on the 730. Or if you dont get it let me know where it is. I did a lot of work with a 720. You did not tell us what type of soil you have? Rocks? Etc.. I used a 3-16 with the 720 with no problem, in sandy soil. I use 4-18's in the soil I have now with a 4010 dialed to about 95 horses. The 7 inch spacing is fine for most any grain but again, your area of the country?? Is there a tractor club or county agent, even the co-op you could talk to??

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B. Abseck

05-09-2006 15:06:15




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to MN Bob, 05-09-2006 14:41:39  
MN Bob, Haven't got it as yet but have located a pretty good one. I would say the soil on our property is the consistency of sandy-clay if that helps any. It has never been plowed and there are some rocks about the size of a head to a little larger. Does that make any difference in the type or size plow? There is, I have been led to believe, a county agent but he must hide out with bigfoot. I have placed two long distance phone calls to his office and left a message but never heard back. Anyway, with what I have said about the soil what do you think now?

B. Abseck

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MN Bob

05-09-2006 19:55:04




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to B. Abseck, 05-09-2006 15:06:15  
Well, I think you could handle 3 16's all right, depending on depth you set the plow. With rocks like that known, what is underneith? Is the plow you are after going be a trip type? See big rocks along fence rows or rock piles? Drawbar on the 730 is about 53 HP. Is yours diesel? They lug or pull down better is all. I have heard LP is good too. I prefer diesel and dont know if I would buy gas for working hard at current fuel prices. Where are you located. There may be someone on here that could invite you over for a look at equipment and answer questions. Sometimes its just hard to grasp/visualize a new subject without hands-on. Hope this helps. Bob

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B. Abseck

05-09-2006 21:14:46




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to MN Bob, 05-09-2006 19:55:04  
MN Bob, Thanks for your time on this matter. When I had the excavation done for the basement the largest rock unearthed was approx. 18" in diameter. Probably a 150 pounder. I am wondering what would happen if the plow tried to grab ahold of something that size. By the way, the 730 I am interested in is a LP. Also I live in Colorado and believe Coloken is the only guy on this site from my state.

Thanks again B. Abseck

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Allan In NE

05-09-2006 12:09:29




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to B. Abseck, 05-09-2006 11:19:08  
B,

Here ya go on the plow.

Allan

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Bruce Abseck

05-09-2006 13:28:07




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to Allan In NE, 05-09-2006 12:09:29  
Allen, Does that beauty belong to you? B. Abseck



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Allan In NE

05-09-2006 14:09:57




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to Bruce Abseck, 05-09-2006 13:28:07  
Naw,

Lots of 'em around this country tho. They are really a nice little plow too.

Allan



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B. Abseck

05-09-2006 15:08:00




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to Allan In NE, 05-09-2006 14:09:57  
Allan, What is the model number and approx value on that type plow?

B. Abseck



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Josh in PA

05-09-2006 11:43:19




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to B. Abseck, 05-09-2006 11:19:08  
3-16 means 3 bottom with 16" moldboards. Three point plows are handy, but don't handle rough ground or fields that curve as well as pull type or semi-mount. A John Deere 730 will likely handle a 3 bottom pretty well, maybe 4 if the soil isnt too hard. 3 bottom semi-mounts are tough to find, 4's are pretty common. I'd say it would handle a 10' tandem disc pretty well. As for the drill, the old John Deere Van Brunt drills were popular. FB models are real common at sales. 7" spacing is the distance between the seed furrows, and 7" was probably the most common. Some had 8", and today you see 6" and 7.5". I doubt you would see much difference between the different spaced drills.

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B. Abseck

05-09-2006 11:51:44




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to Josh in PA, 05-09-2006 11:43:19  
Josh, is 16" the measurement between the beams or how deep it will plow? Also, on the 7" spacing on the drill, was 7" the best spacing for seeding timothy?



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ny bill

05-09-2006 18:35:33




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to B. Abseck, 05-09-2006 11:51:44  
the general rule was plow depth was half the width of the cut, ie 7" deep on 14" bottoms, 8" on 16", etc. you'll do the nicest plowing job with a semimount, since you can control the front and back of the plow independent of each other. a 3 bottom mounted plow will require extra front weights, a 4 bottom mounted will require mucho front weight. a trailer plow will do a nice job if you never have to back up into a corner (don't even try). if you have rocks as you describe, make sure to get a plow with trip beams (have to back up to reset if you hit a dead man), or spring reset (more money but you don't have to stop and back up). some plows have just a big spring to cushion the blow of hitting a dead man, but if you are making any amount of speed, you may leave your teeth marks on the steering wheel. hth.

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RustyFarmall

05-09-2006 13:49:49




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to B. Abseck, 05-09-2006 11:51:44  
14 inch or 16 inch is the width of the furrow. It has nothing to do with the depth. Any and all plows are fully adjustable to whatever depth you desire.



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B. Abseck

05-09-2006 15:12:32




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to RustyFarmall, 05-09-2006 13:49:49  
RustyFarmall, Why would there be a difference in the width of furrows, i.e. 14" vs. 16" ? Sorry to ask a stupid question but this will be the only way I can learn and try to make the best decisions. B. Abseck



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JMS/MN

05-09-2006 21:18:12




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to B. Abseck, 05-09-2006 15:12:32  
Total width of cut makes a big difference in hp requirements. 3-14 pulls easier than 3-16 or 3-18. Plows are available up to 20 inch cut per bottom, 18 inch very common in last 20 years. Wider cut also handles heavy trash better= fewer plugups. As crop yields increase over time, so does residue.



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B. Abseck

05-09-2006 23:14:05




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to JMS/MN, 05-09-2006 21:18:12  
JMS, That helps to explain a very important question for me. Thanks a lot!!!

B. Abseck



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rfdeere

05-09-2006 17:10:37




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 Re: Questions about plows,disks and drills in reply to B. Abseck, 05-09-2006 15:12:32  
They had diffrent sizes for diffrent size tractors (horsepower and weight diffrences). You could get anywhere from a 10" to a 16" with multiples of one through five/six bottoms. On your disc question, are you planning on hauling this anywhere? If so then, an 8' disc fits on a trailer (8 1/2' wide).



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