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Brush hog shear bolt

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Greg A

04-18-2006 04:56:00




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How soft of a bolt (pto shear bolt) should be used, should it be softer than a stanard grade 3 bolt you buy at a hardware store (I call them grade 3 because of the 3 lines on the head).




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BarryfromIA

04-20-2006 20:14:05




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to Greg A, 04-18-2006 04:56:00  
Quality of the bolt is a big factor. Two bolts from a bargin store that are marked the same will have very different life spans under simalar conditions. Look for a high quality supplyer. An expensive bolt is still cheaper than the rest of the drive train.



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rad

04-18-2006 16:40:36




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to Greg A, 04-18-2006 04:56:00  
I bought a JD 6' brush hog 8 or 9 years ago. It came with a grade 3 shear bolt. The bolt would shear when starting the blade even if it was up in the air. The manual clearly called for a grade 3 bolt. The dealer told me to use a grade 5 bolt. I refused to do so without a letter from JD or the dealership guaranteeing a free repair if damage was caused by a bypassed safety feature. To make a long story short, I got a letter from JD and have been using grade 5 bolts ever since.

That said, using a higher grade bolt is a bit akin to putting a penny under a screw in fuse. Works fine until a severe overload.

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BBx

04-18-2006 10:24:31




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to Greg A, 04-18-2006 04:56:00  
I agree with the grade 2 bolts. They are there to protect the equipment and your tractor PTO drive. Too hard a bolt may cause the equipment gear box, PTO shaft, or tractor to give up before the bolt does. I use only grade 2 and have sheared many on my rotary cutter. Never had a problem with "smear". Just pop a new one in and off I go.



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BBx

04-18-2006 10:26:50




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to BBx, 04-18-2006 10:24:31  
Here is a link to bolt grade markings.



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Beeman

04-18-2006 06:38:55




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to Greg A, 04-18-2006 04:56:00  
I use a grade 2 bolt for a shear bolt. i haven't had a problem with my brushhog but I do have some real experience with an auger! Ground around here has a lot of rocks. I snapped the shear bolt on my auger drilling fence post holes. Went to the tractor dealer for a shear bolt. He said we don't bother with them, just put a standard bolt in (grade 5 with 3 little marks on head)which he gave me. This time when the auger bound up it twisted the beam for the auger and the gearbox was now not facing straight down! But that FREE non shear bolt never broke! Hours of work and heating later I repaired my auger and bought a box of grade 2 shear bolts. I broke 2 last week, they popped with a nice little PING sound and they came off clean, all I had to do was line up the holes and knock out the piece of bolt. A few minutes and another bolt later I was drilling again.

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IaGary

04-18-2006 05:27:31




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to Greg A, 04-18-2006 04:56:00  
No Do not use to soft of bolt because when it shears it will smear and not break off clean.

It will be hard to remove from the hole if it smears.

Also a soft bolt will wear out to soon so this realy will smear them.

3 dots on top bolt means grade 5.

I have never seen a machine of any kind that uses less than a grade 5 bolt for a shear pin.

My $0.02 Gary



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Paul In On

04-18-2006 19:53:18




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to IaGary, 04-18-2006 05:27:31  
How do you identify a grade 2 bolt? Paul



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Paul In On

04-18-2006 19:54:00




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to Paul In On, 04-18-2006 19:53:18  
My bad. Went and took a look at that link. Sorry



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souNdguy

04-18-2006 10:27:02




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to IaGary, 04-18-2006 05:27:31  
Every piece of gear i have that uses shear bolts uses grade 2.

IMHO, I think it is dangerous and irresponsible to advise someone to use a higher grade / harder bolt that was designated by the manufacturer. All my mowers ( ford, KK, Howse ) use grade 2 bolts for shearing.

I know plenty of people who used grade 5 and then blew up snow blowers, aand even a fellow who rented a tractor and brush hog and blew up the pto on the tractor for a cool 3000$ repair bill he had to foot, cause he put in a grade 5 bolt.

The smearing on a soft bolt is no big deal. Besides.. your yoke ID and OD should be very close tolerance.. if not.. they are worn.

I fthe bolt does smear a bit, then it will still be easy to knock out due to the fact that it is a 'soft' bolt.. a good punch and a whack with a hammer is all it has ever taken me in the worst condition. usually I just line up the new bolt and hit it with the hammer, and drive the old slug out while seating the new one.. nut it and go.

Use however hard a bolt you want in your own equipment.. but don't advise others to use a bolt harder than their equipment manufacturer calls for, unless you are voulunteering your time and money to go finish their job, repair their equipment, and cover any liabilites that arise from the use of the non specified hardened bolt.

Soundguy

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Sam (MO)

04-18-2006 05:15:39




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to Greg A, 04-18-2006 04:56:00  
Greg
I have a 720 squeeler and I use a grade 5. never had any problems in the thick stuff. good luck



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BigMarv1085

04-18-2006 07:05:08




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to Sam (MO), 04-18-2006 05:15:39  
I bought a new post hole digger about 4 years ago. ( wife's hands were getting calloused from hand held hole diggers)) I kept shearing the the grade 2 bolts while trying to put in a hole under pecan tree. Called the dealer and he said to use grade 5. I never sheared another bolt.



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TimS

04-18-2006 09:33:19




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 Re: Brush hog shear bolt in reply to BigMarv1085, 04-18-2006 07:05:08  
Our post hole digger and woods brush hog use grade 2 shear bolts. If you upgrade those to grade 5, you are right, you won't break as many, the problem is when you hit something really hard or bind up that auger in something and you really need the shear bolt to shear, guess what? It isn't going to shear. Something will give, either your pto shaft, or the gearbox on the post hole digger or the brush hog. Those high grade bolts will end up costing you a lot of money fixing stuff that those grade 2 shear bolts were supposed to protect....

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