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RoyTX

04-17-2006 12:07:01




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This is not a question about vintage equipment, so please my question. I am looking at purchasing a round baler. I have about 70 acres of coastal and 20 acres of grazer that I will be baling each year. We are looking at spending about 6,000 to 8,000 dollars. I have used John Deere and Hesston balers ( I will not own another Hesston). I was looking at a John Deere 535, seems to be alot of them for sale, any comments on this baler. Anyone have comments pro or con on Vermeer or New Holland round balers as well. Thanks

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RodInNS

04-17-2006 18:38:16




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 Re: round blaers in reply to RoyTX, 04-17-2006 12:07:01  
Can't tell you anything about the models you mention. I've been running a Claas for close to 20 years now, and don't have the slightest intention of looking anywhere else. Mine is a 44S, which makes a 4x4, soft core. They have a range up to 5x6 (Rollant 85, I believe), and also have a couple belt jobs now with variable chambers, so they can make hard core bales. I think in terms of capacity, you won't beat the Claas fixed chamber balers. In general terms of bale size and shape, and operator forgiveness, they're also about the best. They will lose more leaves when baling dry legumes, as the tumbling tends to knock the leaves off... But for high speed baling in mixed/grass crops, and reliability, you won't do any better. Just watch that the rollers are not all beat to he!l. You might also find that the resale isn't as high as Deere or NH, which in my mind isn't a bad thing for someone buying a used baler. Go for the other Green.....

Rod

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roy in UK

04-17-2006 22:39:46




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 Re: round balers in reply to RodInNS, 04-17-2006 18:38:16  
Actually you are a little bit outdated with your Claas balers, they stopped making the 5X6 Rollant 85 some years ago. I used to run a 5X4 Rollant 62. It was very good,had a bullet proof construction,compared with the "tinny" John Deere It was very quick and t was far less fussy than the John Deere belt 550 we had about crop conditions.(Point it down the row and go! ) The bales were no where near as hard as the John Deere. You cannot vary the diameter of the bale on a fixed chamber baler, so it was useless for silage. (5X4) Claas also make variable chamber balers these days, as well as the fixed chamber Rollants.

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RodInNS

04-18-2006 06:32:20




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 Re: round balers in reply to roy in UK, 04-17-2006 22:39:46  
Hi Roy,

I'm fairly up to date on Claas's current line. I listed the oldies because they'd probably fall closer to the price bracket he listed. My thoughts on baling silage are shown above, in my reply to HayDr.

Rod



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Hay DR

04-18-2006 17:07:59




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 round balers in reply to RodInNS, 04-18-2006 06:32:20  
In Europe hay harvesting is 70% haylage and 30% dry hay. In the USA the mix is 80% dry and 20% haylage. The # 1 Class baler dealer in the USA is Gene Holliday in Laurens, SC. Most of what he sells are the newer belt balers. I think the Claas balers are fine pieces of machinery. The Claas balers tend to be sold to customers that do some Haylage. Pricing on Claas round balers tend to be among the highest premium priced balers but they usually have all the bells and whistles added on their models.

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Roy in UK

04-18-2006 09:47:37




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 Re: round balers in reply to RodInNS, 04-18-2006 06:32:20  
What I meant about my Claas being no good for silage was because it was a 5x4 baler ( tried it, bloody hopeless LOL ) the Claas 44, 46, or indeed the newer 4x4 fixed chamber type Claas balers are ideal I know.The first Claas Variant belt balers were not very good apparently, but the now they have sorted out teething troubles I hear they are excellent. It is the same with combines, I know that on the whole European conditions are different to those "over the pond" but Claas and New Holland are the most popular makes in the UK. Over here John Deere combines are regarded by many as a joke. Even some die hard JD tractor enthusiasts will only buy a lighter green combine.

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RodInNS

04-18-2006 18:45:12




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 Re: round balers in reply to Roy in UK, 04-18-2006 09:47:37  
Roy,

ROFL. Deere combines are regarded as a joke there too? In my local area, we call them "big green reseeding machines". That's probably more a reflection of improper settings and not specing the machine out for high straw volumes in small grains... but the joke is not lost... I know there are a few Claas combines around, which are fairly well regarded. Nevertheless, Deere and CaseIh are the predominant machines in my area... but this isn't a big grain growing region. It's more a crop rotation that anything else.
As a general comment though, I would say that here in the maritime provinces, our climate, crop production, and machinery choices are not all that different from your area. We use a lot of Euro gear... Kuhn is big in hay gear, Kverneland in plows and fertilizer spreaders (Vicon), and wrappers at one time. Claas is probably gaining some ground, but most people who are not loyal to NH hay gear, or Deere in general will buy on price every time. Claas, like the HayDr says, are a high priced, premium machine, and most people just don't ever realise the value in that. They just won't spend the money. Where Claas gear is seen is with people like me who have no patience for crap, and push gear hard. I guess we'd call it a contractor grade, as opposed to a small operator grade of machine. Not that I do so much really. I just push hard, and keep the gear a long time. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Rod

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phillip d

04-17-2006 17:35:18




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 Re: round blaers in reply to RoyTX, 04-17-2006 12:07:01  
Hi Roy,for that kind of money,you will be very pleased with a 535,the bales are 5x6 in thoes if that's ok with you.We have run a 435 for years and have been extremly pleased with it.If in a bind,you can run them with out the moniter,but there is nothing but judgement on where you are driving for bale shape,and when they get close to the size it is set for,watch for it to tie so you can stop.Overall,really good balers,phill

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JM in Merit

04-17-2006 16:35:40




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 Re: round blaers in reply to RoyTX, 04-17-2006 12:07:01  
Have used a Vermeer 605F, it did a good job and made a nice bale. Just upgraded to a 605K, hope it will be faster with the 2 tying arms instead of the one on the F model. I live in TX and have a good dealer support. Also have friends that run JD 530 and 535 they like their balers as well. I have stuck my hand in their bales and ones I made with my 605 F, I could not tell much difference on the tightness. By many variables involved as type of hay, size of windrow and operator will effect how your bales comes out.
Not sure on the JD but you can bale without a monitor with the vermeer, just have to get a switch to operate the electric tie arms.

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R. John Johnson

04-17-2006 16:25:35




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 Re: round blaers in reply to RoyTX, 04-17-2006 12:07:01  
I have been very happy with our NH 664. The concept of their bale chamber allows a small "soft" core to form and then the rest of the bale is packed as a hard core. This insures that a bale starts almost every time. Auto wrap takes all the work out of tying the bale. The bale ramp means no backing up before ejecting the bale. 660's and 688's are almost the same as the 664. I can't personally say anything good or bad about the other makes.

John

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KEH

04-17-2006 15:44:57




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 Re: round blaers in reply to RoyTX, 04-17-2006 12:07:01  
Never used a Hesston baler but am curious what you found wrong with it.

Never used a JD 535 either, but all that I have heard about it indicates that it is a very good baler.

Have used Vermeers and liked them. If you are going to make 5 x 6 bales I would not get older than a J model Vermeer.

KEH



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DBoll

04-17-2006 13:56:55




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 Re: round blaers in reply to RoyTX, 04-17-2006 12:07:01  
NH, JD and vermeer are all good balers, consider local parts and service. Nothing worse than a long parts run with hay fit to bale and bad weather coming!



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billdale

04-17-2006 13:03:56




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 Re: round blaers in reply to RoyTX, 04-17-2006 12:07:01  
I used JD for several years, but about five years ago we rented a new holland 660 to help with our hay. The bales from the new holland were much tighter and at two years there was still alot of good hay from the new holland baler. We still have the JD baler, but will look at new holland next time we buy a baler.



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