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Greasing and changing disk bearings

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Willy P

04-15-2006 20:19:53




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I have a International 480 disk ,how often do I need to grease the disk bearings? And also what is the easiest way to change the bearings? I know that there is no easy way to change them but some way to easier. My axle won't drop out of the hangers maybe it is a older model but we drop the hangers and axle and all and then take it apart. Thanks




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tim[in]

04-17-2006 09:52:33




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
i know around here when they came out with disc bearings that had no grease zerks, they ended up being replaced with bearing that could be greased because they failed. a neighbor who followed the little greasing became well known because the dealer had to come out so often to fix bearing failures!new bearings with good seals probably shouldnt be over grease. the trouble is guessing when to grease because like they said abve, the seals protect. once they are gone , grease away or replace.

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TomTX

04-17-2006 05:35:30




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
Really depends on the type of seals you have. I have a JD offset that has greasable bearings with a replaceable tripple lip seal on each side. Those can be greased until grease comes out without any problem. The tripple seals will just let the grease come out and push the collected dirt away. My experience, Tom



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wILLY p

04-16-2006 18:58:47




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
Thanks for the good advice I replaced one of the bearings and I might try greasing it one pump aday and see what happens. Thanks



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RodInNS

04-16-2006 15:26:00




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
I've changed a lot of gang bolts, blades, and a few bearings on those stupid old discs. Mine tend to be Pittsburg more than IH..... but anyway.
I just drop the bolt out that holds the whole gang to it's pivot point on the inner part of the frame. Then you can swing the whole gang around, and let it pivot on the outer part of the frame. This lets you pull the gang bolt clear without dismanteling all the scrapers and drop arms and all that other fun stuff. With discs, the fewer rusted bolts that need removing, the quicker you'll be done.... That old Pittsburgh helped me get this down to a science... With the old IH I had, I never changed a blade or bearing on it. Could never keep a hitch on it long enough to do a few days work. Welding that back on was always the story.
On the grease question, I think once a day, and as the other guys say, go light at that. A pump or 2 is probably enough, as you don't want to push the seals out. HTH.

Rod

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JMS/MN

04-16-2006 09:51:07




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
Just another reason to do the bulk of secondary tillage with a field cultivator! lol



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Leroy

04-16-2006 09:20:03




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
On my 37 IHC there were no grease fittings on bearings and could not regrease them, never had one go bad. On my Keawanne it had a fitting on each bearing and owners manual said to grease ONCE a SEASON, would stop you pumping before grease came out, had to replace one bearing on that disc



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barnrat

04-16-2006 06:25:33




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
I have a Case(Long Manufacturing) Disc my father in law bought new in 1972. It has sealed bearings that I changed when I changed the blades a few years ago. Never had a bearing failure on that set of discs. I did have to use alot of heat to get those gangs apart.



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Fixerupper

04-16-2006 06:09:32




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
Well, I think it depends on the bearing situation. On My JD 230 disk I give about 30 pumps per bearing or until a little comes out around the seal. This is exactly what I don't do on any other bearing, but in this case, the grease comes out of every nook and cranny around the bearing flange so I pump until I am sure at least a little grease has reached one of the holes in the outer race, or until it comes out the seal. I've replaced one bearing in seven years. Happy Easter! Jim

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Allan In NE

04-16-2006 04:18:02




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
Hat is off to ya, Willy,

That is one heck of a nice disk!

I can't ever remember not using an IH disc; we've just always had the things around and have always been in the habit of greasing them every half day when using 'em hard.

They take a lot of grease; roughly 20 pumps per bearing. Grease 'em until you see the grease coming out. Haven't lost a bearing out of an IH disc yet; knock on wood. :>)

Don't forget the four zerks located on the lifting pipe.

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

04-16-2006 02:02:48




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Willy P, 04-15-2006 20:19:53  
Willy: There has never been an easy way of changing disk bearings or blades. You pretty well have that part.

Most bearing failure has been created by over greasing. Too much grease pops the seals and that lets particles of soil and water in. In some respect the old bushing type disk bearings were better, you just kept them full of grease and soil and water couldn"t enter. That just created bad habits for later when sealed bearings came along. I once bought a new 20" Bush Hog disk with sealed bearings. My operator loved to grease equipment adequatly, then some, two years later we were into changing bearings. The new bearings came without grease zerks. Parts man told me it was the only way to cure grease gun fanatics. It worked, the replacments were much better.

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Michael Soldan

04-16-2006 06:08:41




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-16-2006 02:02:48  
Hugh, an old neighbour of mine dropped in one day while I was getting my sickle mower ready to start haying. I was greasing it and he rolled the window down and said "What are you doing, greasing it to death?" He was dead against using a lot of grease and thought one pump of the gun was good for what you were doing. He said his brother in law was always greasing machinery and always replacing bearings..there must be a correlation there!..anyway my neighbour had been dead for about three years now and I miss him and his knowledge..I think he was absolutely correct as are you..you can over grease machinery!...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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IaGary

04-16-2006 04:59:20




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-16-2006 02:02:48  
Hugh I agree with you.

Sorry Allan

When greasing sealed bearings Do Not grease to much as to open up the seal.

Unless you are going to grease every half day or more so the grease holds the dirt out instead of the seal.

When working at the weld shop we replaced a lot of bearings from over greasing, maybe more than the ones that were under greased. The farmers I considered ruff on equipment had fewer bearings go out than the farmers that had shiny nice looking equipment.

My $0.02 Gary

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Allan In NE

04-16-2006 05:32:04




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 Re: Greasing and changing disk bearings in reply to IaGary, 04-16-2006 04:59:20  
Yepper, I hear ya.

We all do what works best, I guess.

My neighbor claims that the big chains on those NH balers will last twice as long if you just run 'em dry. Says he bought two of the 855s new and oiled the chains on one and just let the other go dry. Says that the dry one lasted 2 years longer tham the oiled machine. Go figure. :>(

Just don't know. I made up my mind a long time ago tho, if I ever see a bad bearing in a disk, it will get traded off before I tie into that jaw-breaker of a job. :>)

Allan

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