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Phil

01-22-2000 19:47:16

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When you continually plant a field in no-till corn do you have to run a disc over it every couple of years.

My case in point: I've rented my farm out for years and the farmer would plant it in no-till corn for two years and the third year he would run a disk over it and then plant it. This seemed to be his routine. However, recently after he planted it for the second time without tilling he quit farming and the new farmer that rents it has planted it two years without tilling (four years total without tilling). He has no intentions of tilling it. This year I want to put some in hay and the farmer said he would drill it for me, he has a no-till drill. Should this field be tilled, I heard from others that it should be tilled every couple of years but I don't know why. If he drills hay (no-till) will I get a good crop (assuming correct pH, fertilizer, and sprayed properly). It is approximately 8-10 acres, hilly, and in southern PA.

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Phil

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01-23-2000 15:15:09

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Re: No-till Fields in reply to Phil, 01-22-2000 19:47:16

I would run a disc over it every couple years. maybe every year, depending on the past freeze/thaw cycle. From what I know, hay is a very deep rooted plant, and it has to have been well tilled. otherwise it will be stunted. Can't see why anyone would run corn after corn after corn for to many years without changing. I think you would get corn borer, etc. problems.

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Phil

01-25-2000 18:36:20

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Re: Re: No-till Fields in reply to Fm, 01-23-2000 15:15:09

I don't like the corn year after year but when you rent your ground out that is all they want to put in, at least that's the experience I've had.

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Wayne

01-23-2000 01:53:13

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Re: No-till Fields in reply to Phil, 01-22-2000 19:47:16

Why do all the recreational tillage? That hay will grow just fine behind that no till drill.

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Aaron

01-22-2000 19:58:08

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Re: No-till Fields in reply to Phil, 01-22-2000 19:47:16

We've got a field that hasn't been tilled for 10 years. I'd wander out into the field and see what kind of humps have been left from the prior crops. If the field is relativly smooth, then I'd say drill it and you'll come out just fine. If there are some ridges, then hit it with the disc once to get it a bit more smooth, so when you do the haying operations, you woun't have little dips every row. Tillage is good in places, but if it isn't needed, why do it. It is hard on equipment, operators, the soil tilth, and other things. I'd have the soil tested to see how the fertility is, then if it does need nutrients or lime, have it spread, then till it. Aaron

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paul

01-22-2000 23:35:39

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Re: Re: No-till Fields in reply to Aaron, 01-22-2000 19:58:08

If the rows were always on the same spot, it is possible for the fertilizer & herbicides to always be placed in the same strip. This could affect your soil fertility (banded field), and in some high-salt locations it could lead to salt problems.

Not usually a problem, but a shot in the dark as to why people are disking every few years? I would not want to mono crop in the first place, why not rotate crops...

--->Paul

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Tim(nj)

01-23-2000 12:06:00

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Re: Re: Re: No-till Fields in reply to paul, 01-22-2000 23:35:39

Constantly no-tilled fields in this area have problems developing from compaction that actually decreases crop growth. That is due to the nature of our soil, a heavy clay type. This is how one guy here handles it: In the fall he shreds the cornstalks with a flail shredder, then he subsoils using a Tye paratill that doesn't disturb the ground surface much. If the field needs lime or he wants to put manure on it, he applies it over the winter. Then in spring he pulls a field cultivator with packer behind to level it out and mix lime/manure in, then plants whatever (usually soybeans). He does this every 3-4 years, works good for him. If your soil doesn't show signs of compaction, direct no-till should work (although I'd want to level out any ruts or ridges to make mowing and raking less of a headache.)

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Red Man

01-24-2000 19:23:53

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Re: Re: Re: Re: No-till Fields in reply to Tim(nj), 01-23-2000 12:06:00

I've no-tilled since 1989 and my yields are still improving here in central KY. I grow corn and soybeans and rotate every year, the only ground we plow is the tobacco patches. I shred my corn stalks in the fall and then seed my beans with a JD 750 no-till drill in the spring. You can get a good stand of hay with a drill.

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