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when did they invent balers

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Tom in Ontario

04-01-2006 19:31:42




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I have a 1947 W4, 3 acres of hay and some sheep, i want to bale my hay, what are the chances i can find a small square baler. did they make them at this period? are they hard to find in repairable condition, will my 35 HP W-4 pull the smallest of "modern" square balers? in case you are as unknowing as I am, the W-4 has no hydraulics and no 3 point hitch (i'm new to this)

Tom




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jerrycpp

04-07-2006 20:27:52




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 Re: when did they invent balers in reply to Tom in Ontario, 04-01-2006 19:31:42  
In the late 40's and early '50s we used a stationary baler. You hauled the shocked hay to it, forked it in, and then had to drop in spacer blocks so you could feed the wires through and hand twist them. The wires came in a cardboard tube and were about 10 or 12 feet long, perfectly straight. If someone forgot to drop in a spacer, you'd get an extra long bale. The machine was at at least 20+ years old then. It was originally powered by a flat belt from a steam engine, but ours had a 1928 or Star 4 cylinder engine.

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david e stephenson

04-03-2006 13:22:32




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 Re: when did they invent balers in reply to Tom in Ontario, 04-01-2006 19:31:42  
back in the late 50,s my uncle had a 1938 f20 farmall on ford liner baler with a v4 wisconsingas motor on he use in south east iowa on so steep hills and level ground down there. i was barely able at the time to reach the foot clutch and grab the hand brakes on the old f 20. still remember pickup teeth bussing by ears when they hit something and broke off that was the good old days of baling square bales. now he uses a 656 international and 37 international square baler.

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Quebec Red

04-02-2006 19:20:13




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 Re: when did they invent balers in reply to Tom in Ontario, 04-01-2006 19:31:42  
As the others said, the W-4 will do the job. If you could find a M&W live pto attachment, that would be a big plus. In the meantime, a good even job of raking is very important, without big windrows or bunches. A long time ago, my Father's SW-6TA was in the shop for repairs. I was baler driver. The garage loaned a SW-6 for the duration of the repairs. My uncle was raking, and did not realize that there was no TA or IPTO, and ,as usual made a sloppy job of raking (drove a JD tractor...) I became an expert at slipping the old W-6 out and then back into first. Sure made some driveline vibration..., and my uncle was invited to drive. He refused, and my Father gave him...candy...Raked properly after that, for a while..... .Just take it easy. By the way, the W-4 was tested at Nebraska at 24 drawbar and 26 PTO horsepower...QR..

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Coloken

04-02-2006 07:59:05




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 Re: when did they invent balers in reply to Tom in Ontario, 04-01-2006 19:31:42  
Go for it, I bailed thousands of bails with a new holland 68 and an Allis WC. I think that W4 has a nice slow first gear, but if you get into problems with a heavy windrow, you learn to slip it into neutral and let the bailer clear its self.



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Rich Iowa

04-01-2006 23:29:27




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 Re: when did they invent balers in reply to Tom in Ontario, 04-01-2006 19:31:42  
Before I switched to using an Oliver 1650, I used a Farmall H with a JD 14T baler. Live PTO sure is handy, but not necessary. I used the H and 14T on 4-5 acres of hay for a year before I got the Oliver, got real good at popping the H out of gear.



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Casey in Ky

04-01-2006 19:59:00




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 Re: when did they invent balers in reply to Tom in Ontario, 04-01-2006 19:31:42  
New Holland had several "modern" balers out in the 50's and 60's. I can't remember the model number right off the top of my head but their first mass produced had a left hand pick up, backwards to everything else, maybe a model 77??

But the 66 came along pretty quick and made baling fun, even though it does have a wad board, you still see several around and working. I think they came out in the mid 50's. I don't have my New Holland baler book in front of me right now, but the dates aren't really important.

I'm not familar with a W4, I'm assuming it doesn't have a live PTO if it has one at all. Your best bet would be to find a New Holland 68 or super 68 or maybe a John Deere 14t that is engine driven(they have there own seperate engine on the baler that powers it, usually a Wisconsin or the likes) so all your tractor has to do is pull the baler.

Balers like this are out there and are workable. Just have to find one. If you've got a pto, well you can run a lot of newer balers, up to the 70's and 80's models. I've got a New Holland 273 that you can bale all day long with 30 or 35 hp. I've even baled with a New Holland 565(current model baler) with an old 1965 gas Ford 3000(about 35 pto hp), I wouldn't recomend it, but it works.

Sorry for the long post, hope this helps.

Casey

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Jimmy King

04-01-2006 19:53:09




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 Re: when did they invent balers in reply to Tom in Ontario, 04-01-2006 19:31:42  
Yes they were making balers in that time period, although they could have been hard to come by because of the war. You do not need hyd's or 3 point, but will need a pto on the tractor, or a power unit on the baler. A 35 hp tractor will pull an older square baler just fine, but it will take a little practice with out live PTO.



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