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update on modifiying a 7100 to 22 rows

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farmerboy

03-26-2006 05:57:28




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Haven't said much about my planter project...

I picked up an 8R36 7100 Deere planter in the middle of Iowa this past february. The planter came with bean cups and finger units and the seller had rebuilt the tru vees last year. Other than a few welds, it looks to be a pretty well maintained unit.

I couldn't get to working on it 'til last weekend but boy it's actually going fast. In one day, I had it pretty much torn down to the main frame and four units.

Yesterday, I put it back together. This required cutting the transmission off and welding it back on 2 inches in on either side. This will limit me on population choices but I'm only planting beans this year anyway. Unfortunately, I forgot my camers and it's 100 miles away from where I live. I was hoping to have before and after pics. Looks like I'm gonna only have after pics.

I wanna get my population right. I've roughly figured out what sprockets I need. Can anyone here help me with this? I think I need a 7 driver and 11 driven at 8 mph. Would this give me about 175000 pop.? My seed size is 2600 seed per pound.

The biggest challenge now will be to mount the markers...

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Grumpy

03-27-2006 04:27:14




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 Re: update on modifiying a 7100 to 22 rows in reply to farmerboy, 03-26-2006 05:57:28  
Forget row width for one minute. Figure out how many seeds per foot you want and set sprockets for that. Most seed books from your seed co. will have a chart for differant row widths to show seeds per foot. Stan



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RickL

03-26-2006 09:04:28




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 Re: update on modifiying a 7100 to 22 rows in reply to farmerboy, 03-26-2006 05:57:28  
You will also find out that if you forget the 8mph stuff you will get much better results. Why the 22 inch



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farmerboy

03-26-2006 14:17:10




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 Re: update on modifiying a 7100 to 22 rows in reply to RickL, 03-26-2006 09:04:28  
It says right in the manual 8mph for my specific population. I was kinda surprised too as we always ran 5mph with our 7200 finger unit in corn. We never planted beans with ours.

I picked 22 inches because I hafta cultivate and don't have the money to buy super skinny tires and dual them up for one of the larger tractors. I wanted to get all the room I could to drive my 13.6 tires down the row. From my understanding, the farmers in the red river valley all run 22 inch corn as that's what thier sugar beets are on. When I go to 22 inch corn, it should be moderately easy to locate a 22 inch head and go get it.

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RickL

03-27-2006 05:15:13




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 Re: update on modifiying a 7100 to 22 rows in reply to farmerboy, 03-26-2006 14:17:10  
That what there books say as maximum so it keeps them out of trouble. I always ran around 4 mpgh and had lot nicer stands. With the big stuff now days to me speed should not even be considered. Startingg assembly of another 16/31 planter. that spacing head in my area would not be very easy to find 20 yes but not 22. If that was the case then why didn't you just leave it on 30 inch spacing. Yields won't be any different.

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JMS/MN

03-26-2006 08:45:09




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 Re: update on modifiying a 7100 to 22 rows in reply to farmerboy, 03-26-2006 05:57:28  
The population charts are in the operator manual- pages of them. You can buy one at Deere for about $20-30. Makes no sense to try running a planter without one. You mention some sprocket numbers- they might be right but for what row width? Switch bean sizes and then what setting? Bean cups are not very accurate- toss them and buy Kinze or JD meters, set them once within one of three ranges and you can mix seed sizes- just like with corn.

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farmerboy

03-26-2006 14:10:54




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 Re: update on modifiying a 7100 to 22 rows in reply to JMS/MN, 03-26-2006 08:45:09  
I do have the manual, two actually. There is no 22 inch spacing in it so I used the 40 inch and figured I'd be putting out close to double. The seed chart specifies 2600 and says to adjust up or down for your seed size. I just got lucky the variety I wanted to plant was the right size.

Surely you don't expect me to throw out two year old John Deere bean cups that came with the planter and pay close to a grand for Kinzes.

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JMS/MN

03-26-2006 22:13:20




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 Re: update on modifiying a 7100 to 22 rows in reply to farmerboy, 03-26-2006 14:10:54  
Your post said nothing about row width. The post was 'modifying a 7100 planter to 22 rows', so logic assumes you were making a 22 row planter. Granted, the manual for a 7100 is not likely to have the correct sprockets listed for 22 inch spacing, so extrapolation is used to determine approximate setting. What you do with bean cups of any age is up to you. I've had 7000 planters for 29 years, but when I bought used Kinze meters for $50 each a few years ago, they certainly made things more accurate. With the cost of seed increasing each year it becomes more important to do a good job with population control. That is why we don't plant corn with a grain drill. Drill works on the same principle as a bean cup: volume versus individual seed selection.

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