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Need info on Vermeer 504C round baler

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charlieLCDR

03-25-2006 15:26:00




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Am looking at buying a well used Vermeer 504C baler. It's been setting outside. Some rust. Belts are in good shape. The owner passed away and his wife wants to sell. She said the baler breaks a bushing often. I don't no much about round balers.

What are some things to check on this baler before commiting? What expensive repairs to look out for? What kind of reputation do they have? How much should I offer for the baler. She said it needs work and has'nt been used in two years.

Can I pull this bailer with my AC D17 III?
I noticed the baler has two hydralic hoses where my tractor only has one. How expensive would it be to set up my tractor to operate the baler.

Hope some one out there can help!

Thanks in advance guys, any help is really appreciated.

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charlieLCDR

03-26-2006 05:58:34




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 Re: Need info on Vermeer 504C round baler in reply to charlieLCDR, 03-25-2006 15:26:00  
Sounds like all you guys know a lot more than I do about round balers.
I'm retired military, keeping few cows and a horse to keep busy. Been square baleing for 12 years. Getting harder to find relatives to help pick up the bales. when they see me comming they run the other way, ha ha.

Still using a sicle mower. Every year I tell my self next year I'll get a haybine and round baler but never do. Don't want to spend a lot of $ on them cause I only have 20 acres alphalfa and grass. Put up about 1200 sq bales/yr
My goal is to be able to do it all myself so I don't have to ask for help. Also don't want to spend all day working on a baler or unclogging when the hay is dry and needs to be put up.

Thanks for every ones help

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willyz

03-26-2006 05:12:52




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 Re: Need info on Vermeer 504C round baler in reply to charlieLCDR, 03-25-2006 15:26:00  
I think the 504C is one of the most economical and efficient balers for the money that you'll find. Will only bale dry hay but requires little HP (30-40). It will swallow about as big a windrow as you can drive over. Starting a bale is not too much a problem once you get the hang of it. You'll probably have to weave to get a uniform bale. The belts will slip (this is expected and not a concern) when the chamber is empty. Once you get some hay in the chamber and the belts start to rotate you can really pour it to her. I baled a lot of hay with mine, used a V-rake to merge 3--6ft. windrows. Sold it when I stopped making hay. When I start again I will consider finding another one.

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JMS/MN

03-25-2006 18:52:24




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 Re: Need info on Vermeer 504C round baler in reply to charlieLCDR, 03-25-2006 15:26:00  
You can get two-way hydraulics on your Series III by adding the proper valve, which is plugged into your remote outlet, and the return line you can splice into the proper line at the transport valve. However- it really is not a handy setup. Better to add a new system with front mount pump for truly independent, not just live hydraulics. Also better to look at a newer baler. Vermeers are good balers, but you'll want at least open throat technology.

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Hay DR

03-25-2006 17:25:07




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 Re: Need info on Vermeer 504C round baler in reply to charlieLCDR, 03-25-2006 15:26:00  
Your tractor has a single action hydraulic system and will not be suitable for any round baler and would need to be changed to a double action usually by changing the valve.
The 504C bale is closed throat and is a mid to late 1970's baler. The value would be according to the condition. The one good thing about this bale is it takes only 30 HP to operate this baler. Dry hay only. Value is $500-$2,000. with most of these balers worth around $1,000. If it was a 605C it would be worth only $500 tops.

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charlieLCDR

03-25-2006 18:09:47




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 Re: Need info on Vermeer 504C round baler in reply to Hay DR, 03-25-2006 17:25:07  
Hay DR

what is difference between 605 and 504c?

I currently use a NH 273 sq baler. I only bale what I consider dry bales. I don't want the 504c if it gives a lot of trouble. Do you know what would break on the machine that has to be replaced often? Believe I could buy the baler for $500

thanks for your info



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Hay DR

03-25-2006 18:54:26




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 Re: Need info on Vermeer 504C round baler in reply to charlieLCDR, 03-25-2006 18:09:47  
A 504C makes a bale 5' tall and 4' wide. A 605C makes a bale 6' tall and 5' wide. All the parts are available for the baler except for the main drive gearbox. They went out of business 25 years ago but there is a conversion available to another gearbox. I'd look at the belts because if they are original they have likely oxidized (dry rot) and need replacing. The bearings are available most anywhere. You need to check the condition of the rubber starting roller. If the rubber is gone you will need it resurfaced or replaced. EST. repair cost $350. You are looking at an older baler and if you need major repairs they may exceed the value of the baler. The baler can be repaired and made to bale hay.

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KEH

03-25-2006 16:21:55




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 Re: Need info on Vermeer 504C round baler in reply to charlieLCDR, 03-25-2006 15:26:00  
I wouldn't get it, or if you do, pay junk price for it. It sounds worn out, but the main problem is that it is old technology. I am almost sure it is a closed throat baler which has a roller above the pick up which was supposed to help feed the hay into the bale chamber, but would clog up if the hay was a little damp. They would feed good after starting the bale in dry hay. The F series Vermeer was a pretty good baler, had an open throat and would bale slightly damp hay, which is not a good idea but sometimes is better than letting the hay get wet. I series balers are better still.

One of the 2 hydraulic outlets is used to bring the twine across to wrap the bale, the other is to dump the bale. For a tractor with one outlet, a diverter valve is availiable to switch the hydraulic flow from one set of outlets to another.
Again, I would skip the baler.

KEH

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