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BUDD

03-24-2006 17:15:21




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I have a #44 JD 2-16 (one piece moldboards) that I will pull with my JD A. What is the best speed with this type of plow? I am sure that I have more tractor than plow with this setup. How fast did they plow back in the day? When I was a kid (1970s) working on the farm we used to plow at 5 mph (I think). This to fast for the old style of plow right?

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Grub0927

03-29-2006 17:35:54




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
I personally liked 5mph because it gave us the best soil fracture. We tried pulling 3-14 with a MF35 Diesel and the dirt just rolled over in layers. When we strapped that plow to a 50 hp Ford and got it in 5th the soil fractured nicely and some fields we didn't even have to disc, just pull a spike tooth harrow ahead of the drill for small grain.
Speed is the key, my two cents.

Grub (still muddy)

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davpal

03-26-2006 23:26:41




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
I think it is far better to undersize the plow than to try and show off for the neighbors with too big of a plow. Conditions and soil type will humiliate you very quickly otherwise. I watch dad go out and pull a 3-14 type IH trailer plow with his super M and it works it very good. He has 1 wheel weight on each side and fair tires. The 20 acre field behind our barn is heavy clay and really makes that M snort sometimes. It is a real good runner though. Sounds awesome. We have a back field behind that one though that is just black sand and it will walk through that very easily. He has a super H that runs very nice that has new oversize firestones on the back, 1 weight on each side, narrow front and an aftermarket 3 point hitch that also runs very well. He hooked that Super H to the 3-14 plow to see how it would do and was very suprised it did very well with it in the back field of black sand. We actually had a lot of people watching that one who were a little shocked the H could do it including me. He was actually liking it better than the M because it was so much easier to drive and turn on the ends. He was moving along really fast and did a very impressive job of level plowing. I got my 9n out and tried to pull my Dearborn 2 bottom in front of him and could not plow the wheat stubble under. Kept plugging on the beams. I took that back to the barn laughing. I also have a white 4-150 that I use a 6-16 IH 710 model on land plow and go about 4.5 mph that does a nice job. I had some rocks this fall that made those automatic resets do their job. I can't imagine going out and using a plow without them not to mention the high clearence of the 710 plow that swallows up a lot of trash very well without plugging. My point is use a smaller plow than the tractor is rated for and you and the tractor will be happy. To bad if the neighbors are thinking the plow is small!

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Glenn F.

03-26-2006 07:24:16




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
Usually I cannot respond to a "How many plows can my tractor pull?" question without getting lathered up, but I'll make another attempt at it....Here in Brown County, WI, like others have said, it wouldn't be, "How fast should I pull this plow?". It'd be, "Can I pull this plow?" I've got a 2-16 mounted plow (it's a high clearance Ford plow) for my late model DC CASE. I haven't tried it yet and I'm not making any promises. I have 600lbs. of weight on the rear wheels and I still need to add fluid. If it pulls it I'll be in low gear and at times when the planets are lined up...maybe second. My tractor is no slouch. Nobody pulls more around here. 4-16'semi-mounted, is usually too much for our 1270. Glenn F.

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1206SWMO

03-25-2006 19:05:04




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
In the early 1960's my Dad had a 1947 A JD bored .090 over with the 3 speed-2 speed tranny and a 2x16 #44 JD plow worked it to death in easy plowing soil.Seems like 3-4 mph was as fast as it could pull it.



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FromJB2

03-25-2006 08:23:02




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
Hi Budd, the speed to plow at more depends on the bottoms on the plow. One time when I was young and foolish we had an IH plow with ACE bottoms and I was plowing a field that was perfectly flat and no rocks or any other obstructions so I thought, I would plow in 3rd or 4th gear intstead of the 2nd gear at about 3MPH, well the result was with the ACE bottoms any faster than 3 MPH the furrows would fly onto the next furrow and leave a big gap.
A few years later we traded plow for an IH plow with high speed bottoms and trip beams, now this plow would work at 4 to 5 MPH OK.

So conclusion HP dosen't control top speed of plowing but is controlled by the type of bottoms on your plow.

My 2 cents
JB2

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BUDD

03-25-2006 15:10:50




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to FromJB2, 03-25-2006 08:23:02  
FromJB2

Thank you that makes some sense of what I have been reading

BUDD



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BUDD

03-25-2006 03:58:24




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
Thank you all for your comments. As far as having all the plow that my "A" wants in heavy soil you very well might be right, (and I hope you are) but I realy think that I can play with this 2 bottom. This is why I say this. In the 70s I plowed with an 806 and a 6 bottom semi mounted plow and it worked good. The 806 has about 95ish hp. That figures out to be 15 HP per bottom. My "A" is running 45 to 50 HP (Depends on dyno). I realy thought that I should pull a 3 bottom, but this is what I bought. It realy does not matter I just want to play in the dirt and do a GOOD job at it. It is the kid in me!!!!! !!

thanks BUDD

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Leroy

03-25-2006 18:01:34




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-25-2006 03:58:24  
That plow is rated for second gear at 2 1/2 MPH, and I don't know where you can come up tith those Horsepower figures for an A because for even the latest all fuel it is 29 HP and gas at 38HP and even if you have in the newest high compression aluminm pistons you will get only a maximim of 40HP out of a tractor like that unless you have it hopped up as a puller and if you have that you will not be able to pull a plow as it even with a water pump you will not be able to have the temperature in a working range, will be throwing steam all the time and the A was rated for 2-16" from factory and I know the 51A I had put out the fill rated power and I would have had a heak of a time in my ground even pulling that, I pulled 3-12" in second gear and they pull easier than 2-16" would. You should have 25 Horse per bottom and with that tractor you will not have that asyour tractor cannot make that so I would verry much question what the person knows that were running those dyno's. you can get one to read more HP than there actually is if you lugg the tractor down to 1/2 speed on PTO but to get correct rating you have to keep that PTO speed at 540 RPM with NO lugging. You are going to be in for a big DISSAPOINTMENT when you get to the plow day because unless you have come up with new shares and learn a lot more than you know about setting it up you will be the laffing stock of the day.

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Flaboy

03-28-2006 12:39:48




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to Leroy, 03-25-2006 18:01:34  
Laffing stock? Not him



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Allan In NE

03-25-2006 04:15:17




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-25-2006 03:58:24  
I dunno Budd,

Sure depends on your soil and how ya plow, I guess.

In this country, 2 bottoms would be all that A would ever want; 3 would be totally out of the question. 4 bottoms will bring my 100 horse tractor to it's knees pretty darned easily.

Saw a 6 bottom onland working last spring and the ol' boy had a 200 horse 4X4 John Deere strapped on the front of it.

Good luck with your plowin' and have fun! :>)

Allan

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BUDD

03-25-2006 04:40:22




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to Allan In NE, 03-25-2006 04:15:17  
Thanks I plan on having fun. I picked up a Red Tractor in SE S.D. this week for Polk that I bet you would like to have! It is a 1468 (V8 twin stacks) all redone. Damn thing was sure nice.

BUDD



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RC in IN

03-25-2006 05:27:13




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 springs for 44plow in reply to BUDD, 03-25-2006 04:40:22  
I have 2 good springs with rods.
1 broken spring with rod. 1 44 rope trip parts plow



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Allan In NE

03-25-2006 03:41:29




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
Hi Budd,

I think 4.5 to 5.5 mph is just about right, but like you say, the older outfits just can't travel that fast.

I would also say that after you find the speed that your tractor can nicely handle your plow, consistency would be the biggest thing. Keep 'er the same speed all the way across the field.

Allan



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Stan - Florida

03-24-2006 19:49:34




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
It depends on which transmission your A has. If it has the high/low shift quadrant, I think 3rd gear will be all the tractor will want. At least that's what we pulled a No. 44 2-14" plow with in 3rd gear with our '49 A. If you have a later A with a single shift lever, it might (possibly) pull that plow in 4th.

The prior comment about the tractor telling you what gear to use is sure right.

Stan

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BobMo

03-24-2006 19:14:14




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
I don't know where your at but I think your tractor is going to tell you what gear it needs to be in. The truth is you've got all the plow that tractor will handle in heavy soil.....



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RayP(MI)

03-24-2006 17:52:00




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 Re: How Fast to plow in reply to BUDD, 03-24-2006 17:15:21  
I used to plow in 3rd gear with a JD B, Uncle used to plow in 2nd with his JD 50, and he had high speed bottoms. I'd suggest you start in that range, and see which gear gets you the smoothest furrows.



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