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B.C.

01-20-2000 19:02:44




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Anybody ever used both a ground driven tedder and a conditioner like a Deere 31, separately?

How do they compare for getting mixed hay to dry? Is one more effective than the other?

Just curious.




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jim

01-24-2000 18:16:51




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 Re: Tedders in reply to B.C., 01-20-2000 19:02:44  
The trick to teddering is: highest possible ground speed slowest possible pto speed
you just want to fluff it up, not throw it
12 feet in the air.



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CLINT RIDDLE

05-12-2003 15:28:27




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 Re: Re: Tedders in reply to jim, 01-24-2000 18:16:51  
looking for tedder teeth for a GEX make. I am a John Deere dealer in Pauls Valley, OK. 405-238-3339. please call if you have any sources. thanks.



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don tedders

08-23-2002 07:41:04




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 Re: Re: Tedders in reply to jim, 01-24-2000 18:16:51  
hello to all tedders



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Jimbo

01-21-2000 16:24:12




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 Re: Tedders in reply to B.C., 01-20-2000 19:02:44  
We have a nickname for tedders here in Arkansas.
"The Poor Man's Mower-Conditioner".



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Redneck

01-20-2000 19:31:08




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 Re: Tedders in reply to B.C., 01-20-2000 19:02:44  
A conditioner is good to use on any grass that has a stem. It crimps the stem allowing it to cure faster.

A tedder simply scatters the hay and allows the air to get around it and aid the curing.

If your grass has a lot of stem a mower/conditioner would be the way to go. Other wise a tedder would be more bennificial. Also after hay has been rained on the tedder is what you need to get it dried out without it molding.

Hope this helps.

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B.C.

01-21-2000 05:56:43




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 Re: Re: Tedders in reply to Redneck, 01-20-2000 19:31:08  
It does help.

We usually use our trusty model 31. However you bring up a good point about the stems getting cracked which both promotes drying and makes wet hay more difficult to turn around. That is, with conditioning rather than tedding.

I had thought tedders were obsolete until I saw some new pto driven ones in the last few years. They were European.

I've not used a tedder but for mixed hay would think they'd be almost as effective as a conditioner in terms of reducing drying time and getting more consistent drying. They would seem to use less power as well.

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Tim(nj)

01-21-2000 17:30:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Tedders in reply to B.C., 01-21-2000 05:56:43  
If you have any kind of legumes in your hay, you need a conditioner. Tedders are good to have regardless.

This is how we do it around here in timothy and other grass hay: 1. cut with mower/conditioner 2. ted 3. rake 4. bale
During good hot late June New Jersey days, you can cut Monday morning around 8:00, ted around 8:00 on Tuesday morning, rake around 10:00 on Wednesday and bale around 12:00 on Wednesday.

and when it's REALLY hot, you can cut Monday at 7:00, ted Monday at 3:00, rake Tuesday at 11:00 and bale Tuesday at 4:00, but that doesn't happen very often.

Comes up nice and green this way, because it dries fast. Around here, the greener your hay is, the greener your wallet will be in the winter.

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B.C.

01-22-2000 10:32:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tedders in reply to Tim(nj), 01-21-2000 17:30:01  
In the "good old days" it wasn't unusual for my granddad to mow alfafa up in central Wisconsin and let it lay for 2 or 3 days before it was side delivery raked. It would sometimes have to go another day, and be turned over once more, before it could be baled. This is with neither conditioning nor tedding.

Later, when I started in with a mower and conditioner I was astounded to see how quickly mixed hay (no alfalfa or thick stems) would dry. Even outside Duluth hay would generally be ready in 24 hours or less, although not always.

But I've since wondered how much of that was due to the stems getting cracked every few inches and how much was due to just getting the hay fluffed a little so that the sun and wind could dry it better.

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joe

01-22-2000 16:47:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tedders in reply to B.C., 01-22-2000 10:32:26  
As tim in Nj said, we do the same thing. we have a Jd discbine, ted 2 times if thick and will rake twice to. The hay dries faster and will even out the windrows when raking. If you get hit with rain it wil also help. the new ones with hydrualics to fold the wings make it easy too. pto is the way to go



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Jeff W.

01-22-2000 19:26:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tedders in reply to joe, 01-22-2000 16:47:45  
I agree with everyone, but the best reason to own a tedder is rain mine has saved alot of hay.
If you decide to use a conditioner get a mower conditioner, those old cond.s are cheap for a reason, I picked up one 2 years ago, spent a ton of money repairing it used it once, it's now sitting out in the weeds.



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B.C.

01-23-2000 18:59:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tedders in reply to Jeff W., 01-22-2000 19:26:25  
I appreciate the input on tedding. The rain recovery is a good point that I hadn't considered.

I've had a couple JD 31 conditioners off and on for the last 15 years. You're right, they're cheap for a reason, but they've seemed to be worth what they cost and then some. So far I never really had any big repair bills. The biggest thing I have against them is the extra time it takes to go back and condition after mowing. JD did have a pto drive option for some of their trailing mowers once but not on the 9W.

One other advantage of the 31 is that it's not too attractive to equipment thieves.

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