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Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me?

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Limi

03-02-2006 16:59:21




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Always wondered about the pro's and con's of a bale kicker. Being able to fill the wagons by myself always appealed to me. I have never been around one. Also how are the bale baskets? (don't use a kicker)




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Josh H

03-03-2006 06:19:01




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 Re: Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me? in reply to Limi, 03-02-2006 16:59:21  
How much hay do you bale? I live in PA and it seems like just about everyone uses a thrower. The biggest guys use accumulators or a bale bandit, but the family farms that make up to maybe 20k bales use throwers. I bale maybe 4,000 bales a year and use a thrower. I have 5 wagons and can bale about 500 bales by myself in a few hours. If you have a small amount of hay or have available labor, using a bale chute might work better.
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RickL

03-03-2006 01:12:31




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 Re: Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me? in reply to Limi, 03-02-2006 16:59:21  
I grew up with kicker balers,ended up taking it off. later years went to bale basket wagons,after using those I would not have a kicker unit period. ran 3 of the units for several years. Now use accumulator setup. i really liked the basket wagons



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Limi

03-04-2006 15:41:06




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 Re: Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me? in reply to RickL, 03-03-2006 01:12:31  
What did you dislike about the kicker?



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RickL

03-05-2006 00:44:50




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 Re: Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me? in reply to Limi, 03-04-2006 15:41:06  
Maybe I kinda ran them down more then should have. We had unit on 14t bought new at that time,was curved pan, arms did the throwing.
1 you had NO control over it.
2 you never knew where the bale was going to go,little on light side,sometimes clear over wagon,ya get heavier one hardly made into the wagon.
3 in hills would always end up just making in wagon before hitting lower side. The main pile always was just past front of wagon. 4 never would get much of back part full,once the pile reached certain height that was it they roll out front of box which was only little over 2ft so it did'nt take long and you were done.
corners forget it they were always gone if it kicked. 5 sometimes the spring clips thatheld the bale would make it spin coming out and the bale would be thrown kinds sideways usually it broke them.
6 unloading the wagons you wanted to do it soon as possible because they really wedged in ther and if you did it the next morning or so they were much harder to get out. Wagons we had then were old barge boxes with just slide on side extensions and swing up tail gates. We finally just took ous off and ended up baling on ground and picking them up off ground and threw on same wagons with tailgates removed. It was not fun. Next year first round baler came out. We had one!!!! But unless you could get them under roof man the waste thou!! then when started doing small square again later due to market to sell I knew I did not want that kicker again. Bought a JD 327 baler,borrowed bale basket wagon to try. Learned alot that first day and had some problems yes but after first afternoon seen what i was doing wrong reset things and would never look back. bales always in the wagon,corners didn't matter,nor did the hills.
Unloading no wedging in the wagon period,thy will just keep sliding to you if you just trip the gate and DON'T pull forward. everything stays right at the end of elevator if thats what using. when customers came to field to load there trailers just pulled up along side trip the gate and pull ahead dump them in pile and they threw them on there trailer while daughter was baling another load. Yes I would buy one back today if I needed it. I ran 3 of them for over ten -tweleve seasons. I now run accumulator setup,thats another chapter can tell you details on those if you wish later. they do make it total hands off AFTER YOU LEARN THE TRICKS OF THEM. Probably the lot later balers with the belts throwers were way better but never experience them personally should'nt say they are bad. But the wagons would still be the same to unload I know,and boy are the baskets much easier to UNLOAD. Its like any thing mechanical some really likem and some don't. All Iknow is if I was going back to baling in wagons it would be bale basket period. Thats what worked for ME.

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Phil/PA

03-02-2006 18:20:01




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 Re: Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me? in reply to Limi, 03-02-2006 16:59:21  
Way too many variable in that question to know whether a kicker is a good idea for you or not. Filling wagons by yourself sounds like a great idea but if they aren"t stacked the capacity of the wagons go way down. When I"m throwing them in without having someone stack I can only get about half as many in a wagon as I could if someone was back there stacking. There is always the option of stopping every ten bales or so and stacking yourself but that slows things down and still doesn"t maximimize your capacity, once you get near full just about every bale falls off so you"re still less than if you had help. Unloading an unstacked wagon is more difficult than a stacked wagon, the bales tend to get intertwined somehow.

If you"re only doing one or two hundred bales at a time it isn"t that big of a deal but if you try too much more you run out of time, all depends on how much your doing and how much time you have. I have a timothy field and I only get one cutting and I get about 800 bales out of it and I try and get it up as quick as possible, the weather is too unpredictable and once it rains that nice horse hay turns into steer feed. I have four wagons and help stacking and I can get it up and in the barn in a day and unload at my leisure. I do have to unload one the day of baling because four wagons isn"t quite enough.

Never seen or used a bale basket but from what I"ve heard on this website they look pretty good, I"d consider them if I didn"t have the wagons.

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Mark

03-03-2006 12:36:25




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 Re: Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me? in reply to Phil/PA, 03-02-2006 18:20:01  
Alright, I'm a hay idiot...all we ever had was armstrong labor, poor people have poor ways. So tell me what an accumulator is (you guys toss these terms around like they are household words), what a bale basket is and all this other stuff. I'd like to know how those motorized bale wagons pickup the hay..do they stack it too? Some amazing contraptions if I had a clue how all this stuff works.



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RickL

03-03-2006 17:19:44




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 Re: Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me? in reply to Mark , 03-03-2006 12:36:25  
Accumulator is a platform that goes behind baler thast puts them in bundles of eight, ten, fifteen. You then pickup the bundle with a bale grapple designed for the size of bundle. they go on trctor loaders or skidsteers. You don't handle anybales by hand in most cases. Bale basket wagons are units pulled behind balers that the baler pushes bales up a chute and they simply fall into the basket part of the wagon. Go to EZ-trail wagons for picture of bale basket. Go to Hoelscher,Kuhn,Steffens Etc for picture of accumulators. The last unit you referred to motorized bale thing is New Holland stack wagons. They pickup the bales that are placed on ground by the baler and will stack various size bundles then they self unload the stack also. For any of the above to work correctly the baler must be abe to make pretty uniform bales PERIOD. I run accumulator myself.

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Mark

03-03-2006 17:26:37




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 Re: Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me? in reply to RickL, 03-03-2006 17:19:44  
RickL,

Thank you very much for this information. How does the NH bale wagon stack the hay after it picks it up off the ground..like to see that work!



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RickL

03-03-2006 17:41:26




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 Re: Would a bale kicker be a good idea for me? in reply to Mark , 03-03-2006 17:26:37  
the whole bed that the stack is on tilts till ihas the bundle standing up vertical. Pushoff arms and going forward make the stack slide off machine and on the ground. You must have level area to do this and it takes some practice have seen alot of these stacks just end up piles also.



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