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Kelly Campbell

02-27-2006 19:16:41

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I was told this weekend that it's possible to mow hay just as fast with a double action sickle bar mower as it is with a disc mower.

Is this fact or fiction?

Thanks for informing a novice,

Kelly

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Cliff Nebauer

03-01-2006 15:58:24

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

We went from a 9' sickle mower conditioner to a 9' disk mower four years ago and I figure we cut our mowing time in half at least. With the disk mower I normally run 7-10 mph but I've ran as fast as 19 mph just to see if it would work and it did a pretty good job of cutting but keeping the bar on the ground was a problem. In perfect conditions a sickle mower may come somewhat close to running with a disk mower but in tough conditions the disk mower will run circles around a sickle machine. The other big advantage I see to the disk mower is there is alot less maintance, I can put all new blades on our disk mower in half an hour for about $20 in parts. Also when you are mowing with a disk mower all you have to do is drive, with a sickle mower it seems like you spend alot of time off the tractor changing sections or guards which you don't have to do with a disk mower.

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Hay DR

03-01-2006 07:32:52

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

Given you have ideal conditions you can come within 80-90% of the same size disc mower. The situation is if you have less than ideal conditions the disparity is in the 20-30% range. If you have blown down long stem hay, the double action will problems cutting this. The double action mowers are very high maintenance. A disc or drum mower is considerable less maintenance. Never take a double action mower around rocks or woods or you will spend a small fortune fixing them. If you are not familiar with drum mowers you might want too. CCM mowers start at $2,300.

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Hay DR

03-01-2006 07:32:09

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nw_bearcat

02-28-2006 08:08:28

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

We used to run a Krone disc mower behind a 4020, and a ford 515 belt drive sickle mower behind a 4000 ford. one summer we put up a bunch of CRP that had been turned loose, knee high+ brome. I could keep up with the 4020 with the ford, but that was good running. Also have been known to run the ford in 7th (it was an 8spd) while mowing. just gotta keep good sections, guards, and hold downs on them. But there are days when 2nd is the best it will do.

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Kelly Campbell

02-28-2006 07:11:14

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

Thanks for the replies, I thought it to be more fiction than fact and also in looking at the design realized that should you take rock head on and bend up either the blade or the gaurd it looks as though it might make for a really long day...

Thanks for the input

Kelly

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Kelly Campbell

02-28-2006 07:11:12

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

Thanks for the input

Kelly

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Kelly Campbell

02-28-2006 07:10:52

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

Thanks for the input

Kelly

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Roy in UK

02-28-2006 04:10:32

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

There was an attempt many years ago to market the double action sickle mower over here, but it failed. The disc mower is king. One sickle bar is bad enough to maintain, let alone two!

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kyhayman

02-27-2006 20:50:27

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

Not a chance. I've used both, maybe in thin stuff thats real dry, maybe, maybe.

I've learned that there is a limit to what can be rammed into a disc mower, they do have a limit to capacity and I often run about there. Just no way any sickle can handle that volume. Real good timothy, 5 or 6 tons off one cutting, down, twisted, adn over mature. That slows me down, way down, to get a clean cut. Normally take that at 4.5-5mph to get it clean.

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MN Scott

02-27-2006 20:28:52

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

In good standing dry hay you can move at a good clip with a sickle but you are ultimatlly limitied by the knife speed. If you force hay in faster than the knife can cut it it will plug or strip hay. A discbine is for the most part only limited on your ability to remain on the tractor seat.

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Errin OH

02-27-2006 20:26:49

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

Well it depends on the defenition of "hay". But I lean towards fiction.

Well maintained stand of alfalfa bout 28-30 days old, maybe. I personally have done it a 7mph.

Tangled up field grass, hasn't been cut all season, not a chance in He11. Them disk mowers pay for themselves in that stuff.

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WyoDave

02-27-2006 19:50:29

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

I think its somewhat true. We have a double action sickle and it'll mow as fast as I can sit in the seat on our fields 7.5-8 mph. Now if you have a self propelled mower with better flotation so you can stand to go faster then a disc mower will out run a double action sickle.
David

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wolfman

02-27-2006 19:40:23

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to Kelly Campbell, 02-27-2006 19:16:41

Fiction.

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edchainsaw

02-28-2006 19:38:36

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Re: Fact or Fiction in reply to wolfman, 02-27-2006 19:40:23

in Hay fiction
on roadside thats been mowed 3 or 4 times maybe.

I've done it myself.. but not in any kinda hay at all.

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