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How much HP for Plow?

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Stan - Florida

02-26-2006 14:40:48




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Maybe my memory is getting fuzzy, but I'm confused about how much HP it takes to pull a plow these days. In looking at the comments on this subject down below, I got to wondering...are these posts referring to plowing deeper and faster than we used to?

I remember a Farmall M and a John Deere 60 pulling 3-14s in clay and black gumbo soil in central Indiana. Our '49 JD A pulled 2-14's in 3rd gear (about 4+ mph) and our '52 JD B pulled 2-14s in 3rd gear (about 3+ mph). Other than the B, these were all about 35 to 40 HP. A JD 60 was a good strong 3-14 tractor and an R was a 5-14 tractor. I think we all plowed about 7" deep in those days.

Just curious,

Stan

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msb

02-27-2006 19:04:24




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Stan - Florida, 02-26-2006 14:40:48  
Stan the neighbor that said it took 15 horsepower per bottom in the post below was Manny Morgan.That was after he bought a 4020, I believe.



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Hugh MacKay

02-27-2006 05:14:07




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Stan - Florida, 02-26-2006 14:40:48  
Stan: Most folks thinking it requires big horsepower to plow these days, think it is just a matter of ripping up the ground. Most of us old timers could do just as nice of job of plowing with a D8 equiped with a ripper. It goes right over their heads when you tell them the plow is the first step in smoothing the soil.

I did a lot of custom work in my day, and it always amazed me how some folks could make such deep holes in a field. I remember spraying for a guy one day, flat land, Farmall 656 set on 72" wheel tread, and 36' boom sprayer. The boom was ocasionally striking the ground, due to rear tractor wheels going through holes. Then he craped all summer about how spotty his weed control was.

I also had a combine with 16' header with floating cutter bar and automatic header height control. I was truly amazed at the number of places you couldn't use the automatic header. You can't really use those headers as buldozer blades, big combines just have too much traction. At home and a few places away from home, I could set that header on automatic, get out of the combine and walk behind at operating speed, checking tailings to calibrate my monitor, and yes confident that my header was not bulldozing.

This problem has gotten worse in recent years. We didn't have land planes and levelers in the 50s and 60s. We kept it smooth with tillage equipment. My dad always said if he couldn't drive his 59 Impalla across a level hay field at 40 mph, someone screwed up on tillage. Bear in mind there is a difference between smooth and level. I've moved halfway across this continent in recent years and I can pick out every rough field in this county without even going on the land. Just slow down along any county road and watch the guy in that 100+ hp tractor. If he's bouncing around like a Lunenburg NS, fisherman in a 10' dory on rough seas, you know damn well that field is rough.

Is it horsepower and speed or is it I just don't give a damn attitude. I expect the latter is the truth. Some folks are doing great job with big equipment.

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barnrat

02-28-2006 04:54:39




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2006 05:14:07  
Your post makes me think of my father in-law. I have to just about wear a neck brace when I disc behind his plowing.



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Stan - Florida

02-27-2006 07:41:00




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2006 05:14:07  
Hugh,

Thanks for the reply. I think you've got some good thoughts there...my dad was the same way about his fields.

Stan



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retired farmer

02-26-2006 20:26:16




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Stan - Florida, 02-26-2006 14:40:48  
Used to have a JD 5020 rated at 132 hp. Neighbors told me I couldn't use a four bottom spinner plow on it. I bought a 140 International spinner with trip bottoms,16 inch shares, rebuilt it and could plow from second to fourth gear depending on the soil. Had a three bottom International that pulled harder than the four. Was plowing eleven to twelve deep. Wish I still had the equipment.



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Earl-IL

02-26-2006 19:24:30




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Stan - Florida, 02-26-2006 14:40:48  
Hi Stan, Each fall we get together and plow about 90- 100 acres with our antique tractors. It takes more power now than it did back in the 50's. I live in central Illinois .We plow about 20 miles south of Champaign next to I 57. We had 47 tractors last year. I have a good running 1935 "A" Deere (alum pistons & gas manifold) it can handle 2-14 plow in 2 nd gear plowing about 7 in. deep.The tractors that are not tuned up and good condition are in low gear. The new modern tractors & combines are really packing the ground.They split the field where they park the semi to haul the grain away. When you hit that area some times the plows break away. It takes good shares or you can't get those old plows in the ground.They are starting to plow some of the no-till ground. We have a lot of fun. Earl

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Hugh MacKay

02-28-2006 03:42:48




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Earl-IL, 02-26-2006 19:24:30  
Earl: While I agree with much of what your saying, I don't think you are 100% correct in blaming the new equipment. Yes, I agree trucks are no-no on fields. The truck lbs. per square inch far exceeds any tractor or combine, plus the design of the tires are very soil unfriendly.

Having said that, I think what your seeing is more an acumulated effect rather than modern day equipment. Your problem is more a people problem than an equipment problem. Back about 30 ago we had quite vicious discussion on this matter that actually led to weighing a couple of tractors. My Farmall Super A complete with wheel weights and calcium chloride and my 1066 with no added weight on 20.8x38 duals. I forget the exact figures but the lbs. per square inch of the SA was substancially higher than the 1066. Now, you take those duals off the 1066, load her up with weight and you have a whole new story.

One excessively wet year I had more corn than I needed for my dairy herd requirments. My neighbor needed some corn for silage thus I agreed to sell him standing corn. There were two fields as close to him as me, and one had poor drainage. The agreement was he having a 90 hp 4x4 tractor on singles was to open all fields, as I wouldn't stand a chance taking my duals off. He took what he needed and left the wetter field of the two complete with ruts 2' deep, where he opened it up. I went in there with 1066, duals, NH890 on flotation tires and pulled silage wagons behind. The biggest problem I had was keeping my front wheels out of his ruts the first couple of rounds. Once I got clear of his ruts I harvested the rest of the field leaving hardly a mark.

Here comes the kicker, for five years, I continued to be plagued by his ruts and mess. I'm betting that 90 hp 4x4 tractor of his was heavier than my 1066. He told me it was a puller with chloride in all 4 tires, plus rear wheel and front end weights. I dare say he could have out pulled me on hard ground. He certainly didn't in that corn field. I could clearly see he had another tractor on ahead, and his hired man told me they were doing half loads. The hired man also told me his boss, laughed when I showed up and headed down through his ruts. He said to the hired man,"we'll be going to do a tow job shortly." Man was he disappointed.

This problem has been ongoing and accumulating for the past 75 years. Trying to gain traction from weight rather than more rubber on the ground. Added weight works fine on hard roads, but what does it really gain you in the field. Then you've got the guys that added the duals and coupled that with even more weight. What did they gain; more severe compaction, and higher repair bills.

Yes I do agree with you, but lets put the blame where it belongs, square in the laps of people, not big equipment.

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EARL-IL

03-01-2006 13:56:56




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-28-2006 03:42:48  
Hi Hugh, Thanks for your reply. What is your opinion on farm chemicals and night crawlers -earth worms.I am not joking.I respect your reply. Earl



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Hugh MacKay

03-01-2006 19:39:09




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to EARL-IL, 03-01-2006 13:56:56  
Earl: Now there is a kettle of fish, we've come to rely much too heavily on chemicals in my opinion. We're not doing enough crop rotation, and the crops we are growing do little to maintain the level of organic matter in the soil. The limited crop rotation is also driving the use of chemicals. We've simply got to grow more grass and legume hay crops. The problem is what are we going to grow today in the line of grass and legume hay crops that will make money. When I was actively farming, most of our soil was getting at least 3-4 years of sod in 7 year rotations. I see you with IL behind your name, now I ask you, if you were to get into your car tomorrow morning, how far would you have to drive to find half the land in sod hay crops? I'll almost bet your going to tell me, all those high paid executives on their country estates growing 5 acres of grass for a mower or a horse.

Of course this crop rotation - chemical situation is only making the soil compaction problem far worse. Again I guess we have a people problem.

I'm sorry I don't have the answer. The entire food industry is now controlled from about 4-5 corperate board rooms, they decide what farmers will be paid for product and they also decide the input costs. Then we have that boon doggle of politicians and bureaucrats, that take public money to back up all industry these corperate birds want supported. I hate to say this, but I suspect the answer lies in putting a bounty on this crowd.

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billonthefarm

02-27-2006 06:01:35




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Earl-IL, 02-26-2006 19:24:30  
earl we do the same thing every fall up here by farmington and have noticed exactly the same thing. Modern combine and grain carts really pack the groung alot. We have alot of black prarie gumbo and many times after we plow a field you can see every track the combine made going across the field because of the way the dirt rolled off of the plows. It makes me pretty confident that the plowing we do now is harder than what is used to be. bill

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Stan - Florida

02-27-2006 03:53:30




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Earl-IL, 02-26-2006 19:24:30  
Earl,

Thanks for the reply. Your explanation sounds logical to me, and I hadn't thought of the packing caused by the heavy machinery and big trucks. Your plow day sounds like a lot of fun...maybe I should bring my '41 B up, eh? LOL!

Stan



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barnrat

02-26-2006 17:32:55




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Stan - Florida, 02-26-2006 14:40:48  
I worked the heck out of my John Deere 830(75hp) and a set of 4x16 international trailer plows when I first started farming 6 years ago. Most of the ground hadn't been plowed in 40 years. I tried to plow 10", but most of the times I could only plow 6-8". That heavy clay and canary grass wasn't very forgiving.



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Stan - Florida

02-26-2006 18:19:15




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to barnrat, 02-26-2006 17:32:55  
Thanks for the reply.

Stan



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evielboweviel

02-26-2006 15:38:00




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Stan - Florida, 02-26-2006 14:40:48  
last september plowing sod that was last turned in late 80's. 1650D with 4-16 semimounted White plow running 10-12" it was very dry. Had to run with starter and two slabs on front, plowing in 2cd direct until blew the head gasket running 230 temp. replaced head gasket ran in 2cd low early morning quiting before noon kept the temp to 200. outside of field was 1st direct/low due to tree roots thirty feet in from fence. Pipeline repair crew had cut tracks across the field in early spring when I hit the tracks I had to be in low full throttle ready to raise the plow when the front got too high going east, going west the plow came out of the ground and slid across the ruts and then back in the ground.It was dry, luckily got a couple small rains before planting wheat.
10 miles south of Columbus Ohio
Ron

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Stan - Florida

02-26-2006 16:09:44




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to evielboweviel, 02-26-2006 15:38:00  
Well,that 10-12" deep sure does explain your situation. Maybe our 7" plowing is what caused all the hardpan in the midwest, eh?

Stan



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JMS/MN

02-26-2006 19:51:39




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Stan - Florida, 02-26-2006 16:09:44  
'Hardpan' is caused by always plowing at the same depth- no matter what the depth is. Bottom side of the plowshare creates it...it is the down pressure of the plowshare.



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Hugh MacKay

02-28-2006 02:02:53




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to JMS/MN, 02-26-2006 19:51:39  
JMS: Exactly, you hit the nail dead on.



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paul

02-26-2006 18:26:01




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to Stan - Florida, 02-26-2006 16:09:44  
Plows are kinda designed to plow 1/2 as deep as the plow bottom width. So a 3-14 plow actually is moving less dirt than a 2-16, if you set them both up right.

I move close to 5mph with my 4-18 & ~140 hp.

I was one gear lower with the 4-16 & ~85. Sometimes 2 gears lower.

Dad was pretty slow with the Ollie 88 (near 55 hp?) & 3-16, I was a little faster with the 2-16 & an IHC 300 ~35hp.

--->Paul

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TomTX

02-26-2006 20:45:55




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to paul, 02-26-2006 18:26:01  
Paul, I can't quite follow your calculations. Since 3 14 inch bottoms would be turning 42 by 7 inches deep, that would be 294 sq in of soil. With 2 16 inch bottoms, you would have 32 in by 8 in deep or 256 sq in of soil to move. Tom



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Stan - Florida

02-26-2006 18:35:05




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 Re: How much HP for Plow? in reply to paul, 02-26-2006 18:26:01  
I can relate better to the Oliver and the 300 than I can to the big tractors and plows. Most folks in our area pulled 2-14s with a Farmall H, so your experience fits right in with that.

Thanks for the reply,

Stan



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