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Rich Iowa

02-23-2006 15:08:05

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I have a running gear I picked up couple years back, last spring I put a small 12 foot hay rack on it. I"m going to rebuild the rack and thought I"d try to lengthen it.

First, it"s a running gear from the Electric Wheel Co., sorry can"t remember the model number.

Second, it appears the main tube that slides into the other main tube have been rusted together. I"ve tried putting steady pressure on the wagon with a come-a-long and beating on the frame with a rubber mallet, used allmost a full can of penetrating oil. Yes, I did remove the bolts before I tried all the above. Anyone have some ideas on how I might be able to get the frame lengthened? I"d like to put a 16 foot on the running gear. Thanks for any help.

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Miuchael Soldan

02-24-2006 15:55:28

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Rich Iowa, 02-23-2006 15:08:05

Rich I read your post and it was mystory! I posted in the fall about trying to get a running gear apart and there was considerable discussion. Well I had hooked to a tree and dug the tractor down, soaked penetrating oil for weeks, hammered, done everything and finally got the torch home from the SIL's, heated and pounded with a heavy hammer and finally hooked to the tree again and moved it, pulling it apart. I can tell you it is rust that is holding it, marred holes will pull apart with the incredible force of the tractor and tree, but rust is just like a weld. I ground almost a half inch of rust off of the underside of the reach, oiled it all up and reinstalled it, slide in as easy as could be. You definitely need heat and pound the area you are heating as you go. Incidentally everyone my running gear is now painted red and the rims are recreational white. The gear was originally red, a "George White" running gear built in London Ontario. I bought it for $100, decent rubber but $58 for bearings in one wheel. Whites were a heavy gear with good solid hubs. This'll make four hay wagons for us guys who work off the farm, gives us quitting time untill dark, then I unload them through the day and we load 'em up again the next afternoon, unless its the week end , then we go like mad. Good luck and like the others say hit it till it rings(don't dent it)..... Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Rich Iowa

02-25-2006 04:24:21

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Miuchael Soldan, 02-24-2006 15:55:28

Thanks for all the help guys. I have tried the tractor and tree idea, but didn"t try the heat idea as all I have is a small propane torch for sweating pipes. Just might have to go visit my friend and his torch. I will take a look at the gear this weekend and get the model number. Thanks again

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Michael Soldan

02-24-2006 15:57:26

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Miuchael Soldan, 02-24-2006 15:55:28

Apparently I can't spell my own name..it is Michael

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Quebec Red

02-25-2006 10:52:39

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-24-2006 15:57:26

..... .We understand..... ..... ....QR..

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kyhayman

02-23-2006 17:47:35

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Rich Iowa, 02-23-2006 15:08:05

I usually hook it to a tractor and the back to tree. Pull until the tires spin, if it dont slip then, heat with the pressure on it.

I've got a 5 ton Electric, decent for a light gear with an 18' flat on it. I did upgrade the tires from 14" to 15" rims. Just broke a runner on the flat that was on it last week with round bale silage (its my 'loaner' gear as it doesnt track as well as my other wagons).

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paul

02-23-2006 17:05:35

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Rich Iowa, 02-23-2006 15:08:05

Toss the rubber mallet & get a real hammer, whack on that tube. You want it to ring, knock the rust _loose_.

Did you check carefully the holes the pins went through, they often egg out & form a lip, might need to file, ream, or Dremel some metal out of the way to allow the tubes to slide.

--->Paul

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farmerboy

02-23-2006 15:35:46

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Rich Iowa, 02-23-2006 15:08:05

We've pulled them apart by hooking them to a tractor and chaining the rear to a tree. If you're hesitant to just jerk it apart, put pressure with the tractor and then hit it with an 8 pound sledgehammer. They always come apart. We've yet to damage one this way.

Remember, a 6 ton gear with a 8 foot reach is STILL a 6 ton gear with a 12 foot reach.

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ricedaddy

02-23-2006 15:21:55

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Rich Iowa, 02-23-2006 15:08:05

Keep pressure as you stated, with the come-a-long, then put the heat to the outside pipe! that will break up the rust
good luck
Ron

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Harold Hubbard

02-23-2006 15:20:22

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Rich Iowa, 02-23-2006 15:08:05

This was discussed a while back. You already have the right idea with the comealong, but dont't force it , use a BIGGER HAMMER, an eight or ten pound sledge with the biggest gorilla available behind it. If you don't want to jam up the metal protect it with a good solid piece of hardwood. If that doesn't work, get out the torch and heat it right up, sooner or later it will give up. Something else that may help is twisting, the easiest way is to chain one end of the rear axle to a loader and keep lifting it up and letting it back down. Keep a close watch that you aren' just twisting the reach.

Another way to cheat, if you are confident with your welding skills is to cut the reach and weld in an extension.

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TimS

02-25-2006 08:38:46

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Re: lengthening a running gear in reply to Harold Hubbard, 02-23-2006 15:20:22

Somebody beat me to it but I was going to mention twisting it, lift one wheel with a floor jack or a loader, maybe even a boom pole on a 3ph.

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