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Speaking of Heifers

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Michael Soldan

02-21-2006 16:07:22




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One of the responses to my "Farmer Abuse" post mentioned heifers. It was a few years ago but we had three heifers in a pen and four steers in a pen beside. I always jumped in the pen and spread straw around, all of a sudden something crashed onto my shoulders with incredible force driving me forward and downward at the same time..seems this heifer had come in estrogen and fell in love with me. I was lucky enough to be close to the gate and grabbed on as I went down, had I been further away it coulda been crunch time on the neck and back..you never know with cattle thats why its heads up when your are working with them. Right now I have a cow in a pen with a new calf and she shakes her head at me everytime I walk past the pen, normally quiet but with that calf she is a different beast. My cows don't scare me but again with calves around they can be different and I don't ever trust them to the point of not paying attention to their behaviour. The barn can be a dangerous place. I never go in the cattle shed without my hockey stick or a pitch fork, never have to use them but Bully Bully is out there and I always know where he is when I'm bedding the shed. I always make sure he is busy eating at the manger. I enjoy the cattle but I know the risk..... Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Don-Wi

02-22-2006 07:19:27




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
Yup, we used to have a few ornery ones back when I was real little. We had a mom and her daughter, domino and dominos(dome-i-nos), both mean b*tches who always found a way to knock me on my a$$ when I'd walk in front of them, even though they were tied in their manger. Slowly my mom started weeding the herd out, and now all we have left is the sweet heartsm who are more pets than business property. Last year my mom shipped out a couple heifers she just didn't like, they were a little too mean for her.

The trucker/ buyer commented on how nice they were and how nice they loaded. My mom says "That's funny, they're the mean ones!!" The look on his face said it all. He couldn't believe they were the worst ones in the whole barn and they were nicer than any he had in his own barn.
Ours are either smart and gentle or out the door. Period. We've got some real nice old gals, some are over 15 years old and are great-great grandma's.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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cj3b_jeep

02-22-2006 06:07:43




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
My granpap on my mother's side had a large bull named BoDomino on his farm down in Ridgely, W. VA. He always carried his Army issue .45 Cal pistol when he was anywhere near that bull because he was so nasty. I'm not sure if he raised the bull himself or bought it. Anyway, one day the bull knocked him down and was going after him. As a last resort, Granpap shot him between the eyes. We still have the bull's horns in my mom's basement as a reminder.

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Hugh MacKay

02-22-2006 05:24:43




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
Michael: I once asked my dad what he thought about me hiring a certain individual who lived quite near my farm where I raised my replacment holstein heifers. It was only going to be a part time job which the guy had indicated to me he was looking for. My dad had employed this guy when I was just a kid. Dad said," Only one problem, he is probably the best livestock man in the county, but 3 months after you hire him, he will be boss down at that farm." I said, " That's fine with me, I only have to go there about 20 days out of the year to plant, till and harvest." I hired him, yes he did become very bossy. His wife asked me many times if it really took 7 hours per day to tend 60-70 heifers. I told her it depended on how much one talked with the heifers. Even during the summer months when most of the heifers were on pasture, he would go about 3 times per week and have chat with them.

Every year about 20-30 replacment heifers came back from that farm and into the milking lineup. Without exception, every heifer he raised was as quiet as a kitten. You could walk up to them anywhere, pat them, scratch them, etc. Putting a milker on them for the first time, was very little different from milking an older cow. Guys like that are few and far between. They are worth big money in a livestock operation.

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BobinKY

02-21-2006 21:01:48




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
Since we are OTing here, reading your posts brings to mind a situation that occurred when I first moved to Kentucky. I was working and living on a farm owned by a doctor who was a gentleman farmer. He hired a farm boss who ate nails for lunch and belched fire all afternoon, if you know what I mean. One day we had a neighbor's calf get into our feed lot. This calf had circling disease, evidently an infection of the lining around the brain that causes them to charge anything they see. This calf was charging our feeder calves. The farm boss called the neighbor and told him to get over to the farm and get his calf out of the feed lot ASAP. About three hours went by and no neighbor. Finally, the boss went out into the feed lot. The calf spotted him and charged. Dave sidestepped him the first time but on the second charge, Dave stepped into his side and knocked the calf down. He picked that calf up and carried him over to the fence. He heaved him over the fence and the calf went tumbling down the hill. Finally the calf came to rest against a tree, dispatched with a broken neck. Dave went back to the phone and called the neighbor. "Neighbor," he said. "You know that calf I told you to come and get out of our feed lot. Well, don't bother, Jesus took him!" I will never forget this as long as I live.

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tim[in]

02-21-2006 20:32:10




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
reminds me of when i go to the sale barn and always some idiot is hitting the livestock ,even just tapping on them with a stick. same thing for last 25 years i've gone there. last time saw 2 cows chase one of them onto a fence. i was rooting for the cow myself!.i have read in the local farm paper that 3 farmers have been attacked by their bulls or cattle recently. two of them fatal.but a lot of it is the way the handlers are trained and influenced in their handling.i see a lot of cowboy mentality and been guilty of it myself. but at least we are learning and someof us changing.

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730 virgil

02-21-2006 20:00:03




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
the gal that cuts my hair ( yes mrs 730 was with me )told us a farmer near them was killed by either a cow or a steer last 2 or 3 months you have to keep an eye on them mine are really gentle but they can still hurt you 1000- 1200 + lbs to your body weigth no comparison



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msb

02-21-2006 19:01:26




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
Its always been my experience that animals will treat you just like you treat them.I used to milk for some of the neighbors back in my younger days and I always got more milk than they did.



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msb

02-21-2006 18:58:46




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
Its always been my experience that animals will treat you just like you treat them.I used to milk for some of the neighbors back in my younger days and I always got more milk than they did.



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WyoDave

02-21-2006 16:59:24




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
The only trouble I've ever had around cattle are mothers. We calve in the pasture, and usually don't run anything through the barn unless its very cold, or something needs assistance. All our calves are tagged a few hours after birth which means standing in the middle of the pasture with a calf between your legs putting an ear tag in. The first couple times the cow gets up in your face it'll make you about want to turn tail and run, but after awhile you learn to stand your ground and they'll be awful interested in what you do, but won't actually touch you. I have been hit pretty good once, but thats not bad considering we calve 225 head per year.
David

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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2006 16:51:35




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-21-2006 16:07:22  
Michael: I quite regularly, in fact daily went into my dariy barn, free stall housing, 100+ holsteins. Had one bull around to well over a ton. I never carried a stick. I got the bull in and out of his pen with nothing more than my finger through his ring. The only animal I ever had trouble with was raised on another farm, and I always questioned what happened to her there.

I'll tell you another little story. My children often had friends over. For a very long time no one could understand why our dog growled at one of these children. Several years went by before we learned that the then young lady had hit our dog with a hockey stick, and started it all. Animals never forget.

Another little story, An old gentleman had farmed for many years in out community. He sold his farm to his hired hand. He moved away from the area. About 5 years later he was back visiting friends and decided to visit his buyer and his old farm. He decided to get there about milking time as he loved cows. He exchanged greetings with his host, then walked down the lineup of cows in tie ups. Finally he turned and said, "Eric, the cows aren't milking very well for you are they." Eric said, "No, but how did you figure that out," "Too many broken shovel handles and 2x4s around", was the old gentleman's reply.

Now I've been to your barn, and I have seen you handle your animals. Very gentle in my opinion, I knew the minute I went in your barn, the cattle were happy to see you even though it was not feeding time. But we do know where some of these guys on the other thread are coming from. I don't critize you for carrying the stick. If that gives you confidence fine.

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Allan in NE

02-21-2006 17:12:54




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-21-2006 16:51:35  
Since we're on the subject,

About every 10 minutes I hear of someone putting a dog down because it bit a child.

I say in 100 times out of 100 that the child probably should have been paddled a long, long damned time ago and an apology should promptly be made to the dog.

They bite for a reason,

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2006 18:47:16




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2006 17:12:54  
Allan: This dog was german sheperd and he loved children, as he grew up with children. My next door neighbor landed on the doorstep with him, a 6 week old puppy at the time, and the same day I brought Marg. home from the hospital with our first new daughter. Now the neighbor and I didn't win any popularity contests. Marg. was not right enthused about house training a puppy with a new baby at hand. Four weeks later she would put the baby outside in carriage and puppy would lie beside the carriage. If so much as a wimper came out of that carriage, the dog would come to the door and let Marg. know. He never left her unattended.

When Marilyn was about 11 months old and walikng holding unto chairs, etc. We were encouraging her, of course the dog then quite full grown had to get in on the action. As he walked by her waging his tail, a swipe of the tail knocked her over. He went on to a corner and Marilyn back on her feet like flash, started scolding him , pointing and shaking her finger at him, and he just cowered in the corner. She couldn't talk but I wish you could have heard the adjectives she used on that poor dog. He felt terrible about what he had done. Marg. and I laughed until tears came on our checks. Here was this big dog probably 4 times as heavy as she was, and she had him in the palm of her hand.

He is also the same dog that wouldn't let a new operator on my 560 after lunch. When the operator returned from lunch the dog was lying urder rear end of tractor. He wouldn't let him approach the tractor until I arrived. I later understood the dog was a good judge of charactor.

He was a dog that grew up with kids, he loved kids and he tolerated a lot from them and not just our own kids, but he did single this one girl out and we could never understand why. When she was a very young teenager and the dog then quite old and feeble she told us one day what she had done close to 8 years before.

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Jimmy King

02-22-2006 12:17:01




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-21-2006 18:47:16  
Hugh, we once had a 1/2 border collie 1/2 german sheppard he was a very good stock dog for dairy cows because he had a lazy streak in him. I could send him or take him after the cows and he would walk behind them if one stopped he would set down to see if it was going to move on before he did anything. He barked at everyone that drove in the drive way unless he knew them well, as soon as they stepped out and petted him they were friends. However we had a farm rented one time and a guy drove in while we were feeding one morning, I had to get ahold of Buster and hold him, the hair stood up on the back of his neck I don't why but he took an instent dislike for that guy, dogs are a very good judge of people.

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Jimmy King

02-22-2006 12:15:36




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-21-2006 18:47:16  
Hugh, we once had a 1/2 border collie 1/2 german sheppard he was a very good stock dog for dairy cows because he had a lazy streak in him. I could send him or take him after the cows and he would walk behind them if one stopped he would set down to see if it was going to move on before he did anything. He barked at everyone that drove in the drive way unless he knew them well, as soon as they stepped out and petted him they were friends. However we had a farm rented one time and a guy drove in while we were feeding one morning, I had to get ahold of Buster and hold him, the hair stood up on the back of his neck I don't why but he took an instent dislike for that guy, dogs are a very good judge of people.

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Case Lady

02-21-2006 18:20:14




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 bites..... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2006 17:12:54  
Superbowl Sunday in 2001, had to go to ER to get stitches due to a cow bite.....first time folks in ER had seen an actual cow bite - took several stitches to sew it up. January 2nd of last year, yet another trip to the ER for stitches - after the nurse asked me the 4th time if my tetnus shot was up-to-date, I allowed he should look in his blasted computer and tell me and gave him the date of last treatment and what it was for, he got the strangest look on his face....and said..."weren't your pregnant at the time"....yepper 8 months....the nurse remembered me....Oh how lucky I am. Oh and the cow died that bit me.....

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Allan in NE

02-21-2006 17:09:53




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-21-2006 16:51:35  
Since we're on the subject,

About every 10 minutes I hear of someone putting a dog down because it bit a child.

I say in 100 times out of 100 that the child probably should have been paddled a long, long damned time ago and an apology should promptly be made to the dog.

They bite for a reason,

Allan



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IaGary

02-21-2006 18:12:53




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2006 17:09:53  
Neighbors cows got in with mine. I called him and told him to call when he was ready to get them sorted off. And I could bring them to the barn to sort.
He called about 6 hours later and said we've been running around trying to sort our cows for the last 4 hrs and can't get um away from yours.

I went out and my cows even ran from me and still haven't gotten over it three years later.
Neighbors?? G@#$%#$%^&^

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Gene-WI

02-22-2006 10:25:45




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 Re: Speaking of Heifers in reply to IaGary, 02-21-2006 18:12:53  
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Here's one that just came fresh, gentle as a kitten, milked her right in the pen, me on one side, the calf on the other. 30 years, never have had a mean cow, I do keep an eye on the fresh ones tho, you just never know.



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