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Overseeding after Crossbow application

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Shovelman

02-19-2006 17:20:22




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Over the past few years, we have picked up a few hay lots that were run out and needed much improvement. Last May, we used Crossbow on one that was overrun with bedstraw. It did a great job killing the bedstraw, but as expected, it killed the clover as well.

I was toying with the idea of overseeding it with alfalfa or clover. Does this make sense and will it allow me to reduce the application of nitrogen after it gets started? With fertilizer prices what they are, would this be an alternative?

Currently, the grasses are timothy, orchard grass and tall fescue. We have applied lime and fertilizer according to the sample reports & recommendations. The soil is well drained.

We usually sell the hay to horse people, so we tedd it more than usual, which I understand will knock the leaves off the alfalfa. Here in the People's Republic of Connecticut, we only get decent weather in 3 day stretches early and late in the season so I really don't want to extend the drying time too much.

Would this make sense, or is it just another one of my hair-brained ideas to save a few bucks?

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott Goff

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mjbrown

02-20-2006 15:15:49




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 Re: Overseeding after Crossbow application in reply to Shovelman, 02-19-2006 17:20:22  
When you are trying to get your hay dry any rain or even a heavy dew will make clover turn black. It is still good feed but horse people will turn there noses up at it even if their horses like it. Alfalfa is more tolorant of a lite shower if you get it tedded right out afterward. You can frost seed clover and get good results. Alfalfa is riskier.



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nw_bearcat

02-20-2006 05:38:26




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 Re: Overseeding after Crossbow application in reply to Shovelman, 02-19-2006 17:20:22  
Check your crossbow label, i think there's a restriction on the time between crossbow application and legume planting. i once saw a farmer forget that they had been spraying a pasture with tordon for 3 years, then decided to no-till Soybeans into it. there were areas where you could see the doubled application, but the beans still made 35bu/a, so not bad



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Shovelman

02-20-2006 06:21:41




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 Re: Overseeding after Crossbow application in reply to nw_bearcat, 02-20-2006 05:38:26  
Thanks for the reply. They say wait a minimum of 3 weeks before overseeding, so I should be OK.
The improvement of this lot after application was dramatic. I expected lower yields but got exactly the opposite. Between getting the soil right and controlling the weeds, we more than doubled our yield over 2004, which is not too shabby. It sure made a believer out of me!

Thanks,
Scott



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fasseymerguson ga

02-19-2006 18:12:29




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 Re: Overseeding after Crossbow application in reply to Shovelman, 02-19-2006 17:20:22  
Clover and legumes are a great way to add nitrogen to a field. If used in a hay field, they may not make any nitrogen because of the amount of fertilize needed to make hay. Also, crimson clover has barbs in the dried seed that can kill horses. This is some of the things I just thought about and may remember more from some classes I have taken.



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Shovelman

02-20-2006 05:53:09




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 Re: Overseeding after Crossbow application in reply to fasseymerguson ga, 02-19-2006 18:12:29  
Thanks for the reply. I was considering red clover or alfalfa. Not sure if the negatives (longer dry time) will outweigh the positives (nitogen).



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