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Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader

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Jeff Jackson

02-15-2006 17:09:26




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I just aquired a New Idea 12A manure spreader that is in decent condition albeit needing a floorboard replaced. Eventually I"ll replace all the boards as they"re showing their age. My question is how are the boards attached? I haven"t spent much time looking at it yet but it appears to me that they"re attached with a type of large rivet. Was this how they originally attached them? Can the floor boards be replaced without removing the drag chain? I haven"t had much experience with the maintenance end of spreaders so forgive my "newbie" questions. Thanks.

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tg in VA

02-20-2006 09:03:31




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Jeff Jackson, 02-15-2006 17:09:26  
If you can't work the replacement board(s) under the apron, you can take the chain apart (one link on each side) and pull it back and drape it over the front or the beater bars, depending on where you take the chain apart. I always use 1/4" carrage bolts for the floor boards, drill the boards from the bottom, using the existing holes in the angle iron. I use plain pine lumber and paint it with burned motor oil. Mine never see the inside of a shed and the boards last for many years. If you like, you can repaint (with burned motor oil) every so often and paint the chain at the same time. The main thing is to not leave the spsreader sitting for long periods of time loaded with manure.
This said, if there aren't big gaps in the floor, you can probably just use the spreader without replacing anything. A piece of thin (1/4") plywood can work wonders on larger holes.
Having the chain in good order is probably the most important thing. I have spent too much time unloading by hand because the chain broke. If it braks and you continue to run the spreader, the apron slat will wrap around the front apron axle, a repair which will tax the limits of your creativity and patience. I always spread with one eye on the spreader, being ssure the apron bars come around square, not aat an angle.

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tg in VA

02-20-2006 09:00:38




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Jeff Jackson, 02-15-2006 17:09:26  
If you can't work the replacement board(s) under the apron, you can take the chain apart (one link on each side) and pull it back and drape it over the front or the beater bars, depending on where you take the chain apart. I always use 1/4" carrage bolts for the floor boards, drill the boards from the bottom, using the existing holes in the angle iron. I use plain pine lumber and paint it with burned motor oil. Mine never see the inside of a shed and the boards last for many years. If you like, you can repaint (with burned motor oil) every so often and paint the chain at the same time. The main thing is to not leave the spsreader sitting for long periods of time loaded with manure.
This said, if there aren't big gaps in the floor, you can probably just use the spreader without replacing anything. A piece of thin (1/4") plywood can work wonders on larger holes.
Having the chain in good order is probably the most important thing. I have spent too much time unloading by hand because the chain broke. If it braks and you continue to run the spreader, the apron slat will wrap around the front apron axle, a repair which will tax the limits of your creativity and patience. I always spread with one eye on the spreader, being ssure the apron bars come around square, not aat an angle.

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John17

02-16-2006 08:19:40




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Jeff Jackson, 02-15-2006 17:09:26  
I am not sure what you are refering to. Maybe it is a regional thing. I think what you are asking is whether you need to take the apron out of the spreader? You should not need to remove the apron, just loosen it as much as possible, and brace it up( I use several vise grips and clamps) so that it gets far enough out of your way so you can slide the boards out and back in. Hope this helps you out. JohnG

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KeithT

02-16-2006 03:06:35




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Jeff Jackson, 02-15-2006 17:09:26  
I have done several .The drag does not need removed,they have enough play so you can put a board accrossand hold it up.Your oak may be cheap but when it dries and shrinks you will have 1/4 to1/2 in. wide cracks in your floor .I like to use 1x6 and 1x8 treated from the lumber yard . I would replace the entire floor while I was messing with it You are only talking about 5,6 ,or seven boards



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Leroy

02-15-2006 18:09:45




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Jeff Jackson, 02-15-2006 17:09:26  
Yes, they are rivets as it was easy for them at the factory to do that as the floor was made in one piece and sides were each made as 1 piece and then assembled but for replacement just use carriage bolts. I have several spreaders, steel wheel models, that I have to rebuild for sale to Amish comunities and that is what I will be doing, will use 1" deck boards for floor and 3/4" treated boards for sides

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Jeff Jackson

02-15-2006 19:00:03




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Leroy, 02-15-2006 18:09:45  
What's the easiest way to remove them for board replacement...torch.....grinder? Seems like this could be a long process if many need to be removed.



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Leroy

02-16-2006 05:35:52




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Jeff Jackson, 02-15-2006 19:00:03  
If boards are bad enough they will break off the rivits then take a bolt nipper and cut and hammer and punch to drive rest of rivit out, and do you think you will need any other parts for it? I have 2 that are going to be parted out, beyound repair when I got them, if I could find the large sproket that drives the beaters I could rebuild the 2 as one but both spreaders that sproket is broken on. I have a total of 5 steel wheel spreaders here to rebuild as soon as I get the chance

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Jeff Jackson

02-15-2006 17:11:00




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Jeff Jackson, 02-15-2006 17:09:26  
Sorry for the double post



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Maine Fordson

02-15-2006 17:57:05




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Jeff Jackson, 02-15-2006 17:11:00  
I think if you look at the other side of those "large rivets" you'll find that they are carriage bolts, and should be easy to replace. Not so easy to take off -- you may need to take a cutting torch or cold chisel to them.

A carriage bolt has a square-shanked top under its domed head; that keeps it from turning. Drill holes in the proper places in your new boards, insert the carriage bolts and tap with a hammer to seat them.

When re-assembling, use liberal amounts of anti-seize lubricant (silvery-gray paste that comes in a jar with its own brush -- ask at your local parts store if you don't know what I mean -- the stuff is worth its weight in gold, especially when it comes to any future disassembly).

Are you using pressure-treated lumber?

Good luck with your project.

-- Maine Fordson

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Jeff Jackson

02-15-2006 18:56:49




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Maine Fordson, 02-15-2006 17:57:05  
The "hardware" has domed heads like carriage bolts but they have no nuts. They are mushroomed on the opposite side which is why I believe they are rivets. I plan on using white oak from the local sawmill as it"s inexpensive (.45 cents a board foot), hard as a rock when cured, and keeps my money in the local economy) I"m sure they"ll last longer than I will LOL



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IaGary

02-15-2006 19:44:24




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to Jeff Jackson, 02-15-2006 18:56:49  
That oak will be fine if its fairly smooth on inside. If not you may want to sand or plane it to smooth it up to reduce drag on the web chain.
May save you a broken web.

Just my thoughts.



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Jeff Jackson

02-15-2006 20:06:50




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 Re: Replacing boards on a New Idea 12A spreader in reply to IaGary, 02-15-2006 19:44:24  
Sounds like a good excuse to break out the 12" surface planer :)



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