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Punchie

02-10-2006 05:17:59




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HI Mr. Kackay

Not sure why I'm wasting my time talking to you, but here we go again.

Number in a book are one thing, I'm not trying to make you look as bad as you are. From what farmers I have talked to some small and some the biggest and best in our area. Not sure why or if you ever baled with a 69. Allison family said you well his words " your pulling every ones chain." This is a farmer of some 70 some years had a dairy and was in the chicken busness etc. So he was around when the s69 was new, said they are and were a good baler, but not in the class of todays balers. Guys from Bulter, PA area. said: NOW there baler is 4 year old NH top of the line some 128 (maybe more) stocks per Minute said: "it takes them all day to bale and store 1000-1200 per day every day." By the way they do 30,000 of timothy not in a good or bad year, every year!! The most hay they can bale is right around 2000 in a day, I asked him on a strench what can you think you can bale in a day he said that is about it, maybe if we started too early and ended too late pushing it maybe another 500, makeing it 2500. You can read and do what ever you would like about time and wieght , ratios but the facts are the facts here in the east any way , I'll at least give you that, MAYBE IN THE WEST, but here it is all but impossible to bale 4500 or for that matter 3500 in one day with one machine of the year you are talking about, by todays standards balers for the same basic size it is still all but impossible. Question for you , maintenance
for the s69 how oten were you to do it , now by the book ? Oil the chains and greese pick up knotter etc.

Hey Mr. Mckay how many bales can a older S77 do in a day , if you could get the S69 I bet you can do 6000-7000 they had a better baling speed for use not by the Book, they were and if you ever baled with one were eating machines, I was five and can still recall it just going right throw a huge mess of hay with todays balers you have to slow down or break something, boy that old baler was like a monster to me. Allsions said it had a bigger in take then the S69. You could feed it allot more.


Mr Moldovan

P.S. I don't have to name call!!! And I have a few more to ask but I already talked to the biggest square baler around.

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I Like Case

02-10-2006 22:18:06




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:17:59  
OK get this straight from an experienced hay man.I first started haying in the mid seventies. That makes over 30 years - less the 27 I took off between then and now:) This year I baled my entire 40 acres in a single day with my 269 and a ACWD. Now the counter said that it was only about 300 bales but when it came time to haul and stack them-alone-I think there was over 3000 of them. Darned if I know where they came from.

I know you guys are saying that 300 bales on 40 acres is nothing but consider that I got the first measurable rain in 3 years last summer.

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IHFan11

02-10-2006 19:14:36




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:17:59  
Feb. I can bale 10000 bales a day now, June will slow me down a little.



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KEHh

02-10-2006 16:23:44




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:17:59  
Punchie and others,

I try not to post about things I know nothing about, so I won't get into the number of bales a day controversy in areas I know nothing about.

However, I used a NH super 77 for many years and it was a very good machine and made good, well shaped bales. I later got a NH 67 and used it a long time. The 67 had much more capacity than the 77. It was a later baler and the technology had improved. The 69 was a still later model and should have much more capacity, but I have never used one. This was a period of rapid improvement in square balers, and like you said much of the improved speed came from more strokes per minute.

KEH

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Punchie

02-11-2006 06:00:12




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to KEHh, 02-10-2006 16:23:44  
Yes you are right, Talked to Dad a he says that old S77 would not eat the hay as fast as I recalled , he said , NOW LETS NOT GET GOING TO THIS AGAIN . About 100 bales and hour would be a good number, in his opinion. SO I would say yes the old super sweep or super 69 would bale faster, than the S77. I was not right in stating it the other way.

Have A Good One !!

Teddy



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Hugh MacKay

02-10-2006 15:46:33




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:17:59  
Punchie: You poor pathetic soul, is all I can say.



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Dave H (MI)

02-10-2006 18:52:21




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-10-2006 15:46:33  
What's up with this, Hugh? What is it about this guy that has you so bent out of shape? I read a few posts but haven't picked up on the source of all the animosity. Just curious....



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Hugh MacKay

02-11-2006 01:39:20




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Dave H (MI), 02-10-2006 18:52:21  
Dave: You must have been busy or out of town lately, haven't seen you posting. There are 3 maybe 4 threads, most of it on pages 4, 5 and 6 by now. For the most part the issue was dead, then Punchie decided to throw in a late punch, thinking he wouldn't be noticed. I made a comment, and he retaliated by sending me a personal e mail, not nasty I might add, but clearly coming from a guy that didn't have a lot of background for such and argument. I responded by telling him that YT said they couldn't garentee this e mail was not from a scammer. I accept that, I leave my e mail exposed thus I have to expect that once in a while. I always say if you can't stand the heat, time to get out of the kitchen.

So basically Punchie decided to start this new thread, to see if he couldn't beat this dead horse to a pulp.

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Dave H (MI)

02-11-2006 06:32:40




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-11-2006 01:39:20  
Wow...that's kinda scary! I was in San Diego for a week and now I am in the middle of my busiest time of year for work. Nothing wrong with your crystal ball!!! Wish I had time to go back and read all the posts on this but no way. Hope it sorts out.



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jimont

02-10-2006 07:17:23




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:17:59  
Punchie - If there's one thing I've learned in 55 yrs of farming, it's this --- most farmers know the farms on either side of them and across the road, but have very little knowledge of similar operations, even in other areas of their home county, let alone other areas of their country. As an example, I've learned a lot from Allan's new venture in Neb. as I've never seen that part of your country and certainly would never question yields or farming operations in that area as I have no knowledge of that area. In the meantime, I'm learning by reading his every entry on this site. Perhaps the best way to settle this would be for you to visit Canada's east coast to see farming operations there for yourself. It could be a learning experience and I'll guarantee you'll meet some of the nicest people on this earth as a bonus!!

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Allan in NE

02-10-2006 06:41:28




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:17:59  
Punchie,

It is the time of year, me thinks.

In the dead of winter we all get a little edgy, a little grumpy and we've all just got a touch of plain old fashioned cabin fever while waiting for spring to get here.

Now, I'm not standing up for anyone, nor am I questioning anyone's numbers, but I can say that with age our memories do tend to fade and get a little bit "fuzzy" sometimes.

Case in point: I've been rackin' my brain for over 20 years trying to remember the model number of the New Holland baler my old hired man owned back in the 70s because it left such a positive impression in my mind in the way it would put up hay. That was the hay-eatingest baler I've ever seen!

For quite a number of years at every cutting of hay, here he would come with that big shiny outfit, treated it like a newborn babe, lubed it, adjusted it, oiled it and tinkered on the beast until it was humming like a new car engine. It drove me nuts that he was sooooo picky with the darned thing, but it was an absolute killer of a baler.

But I just could not remember the model number!

So, last month, I just happened to run into the hired man's dad. We're visitin' for a few minutes and I asked him what the heck the model of that silly baler was 'cause it was drivin' me crazy that I couldn't remember.

He told me that the boy had never owned a baler in his life. Come to find out, he had been borrowing it from another neighbor all along.

I had just forgotten.

So, I suggest we just lay this topic to rest, hey? Just leave it alone.

Allan

PS. By process of elemination, it turns out that the old baler was a 851. :>)

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Iowa Jim

02-10-2006 06:36:59




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 Re: Baling Again , Name caling Here are a few more in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:17:59  
Punchie:

Who friggin' cares!!!!! Worry about getting your own hay in the barn and let others do theirs.

Jim



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Punchie

02-10-2006 05:20:14




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 Copy of post !! #1 in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:17:59  
HI Doghouse

I talked to a number of full time farms in our area. They say 2500 would be tops. And farther more a NH 69 would have a good job of baling 1500 in one day let alone 4500 of any size. Most are beef and older Dairy men, they say the most any of them have done is 1000-1200 with a good crew and one baler. I have yet to talk to a family that sale hay for a living. I will this week and ask them what baler they are using, a couple of years old top of the line NH cost them some $$ . They do 30000 - 35000 bale of Timothy a year 1 st cutting him and his Dad. But they have top of the line equipment. They all said 500 in our area is a good number to make top grade 1st cutting. Per day, day after day after day. For any setup, one baler. That was my thinking.

Teddy

P.S. Posted late as to not feed this fire any more.

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John17

02-10-2006 08:28:36




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 Re: Copy of post !! #1 in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:20:14  
Punchie, when you are talking about timothy hay and someone else is talking alfalfa or clover, believe me you are talking apples and oranges. It takes an awful lot of ground to make 100 bales of timothy, we would get almost 200 bales of alfalfa or clover in a little over an acre. There are a lot of differences in areas of the country. I have lived in many of them, and seen farming operations in a lot of different areas. The fact that you can not fathom that it could happen, does that mean that it cannot? I do not think so. When someone tells you something, LISTEN. Maybe what they are telling you is not completely acurate, but you may learn something from them. I can tell you, I put up a lot of hay behind a New Holland Super 69 baler, and to the point that was trying to be made, the limiting factor was LABOR! That was one fo the best balers of it's day for putting heavy hay through. It seemed you could not stop it. Take the point as it was presented, and move on. JohnG

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Punchie

02-10-2006 05:24:01




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 Re: Copy of post !! Answer #1 in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:20:14  
Posted by Hugh MacKay on February 09, 2006 at 17:27:25 from (209.226.247.62):

In Reply to: Re: Baling Hay numbers . posted by Punchie on February 04, 2006 at 21:37:49:

Teddy: That is a cowardly way of doing it, but then what could one expect. Time you woke up and read the numbers, manufacturers rating on most of these balers was 15 ton per hour and in any bodys book that 100 ton per day. Most balers I've seen were better than the rating by the manufacturer.

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sjh

02-11-2006 13:26:50




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 Re: Copy of post !! Answer #1 in reply to Punchie, 02-10-2006 05:24:01  
Lets see 100 ton / 15 ton per hour = 6.6 hours. There isn't any farmer in my area that only works 6.5 hr a day. More like 12 hrs a day doing hay. That would be 180 ton or 6000 bales @ 60lbs.
I worked with a guy whos father baled and put up 5000 bale of straw in one day.All by himself ever year.



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