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baler with wisconsin motor ( compression)

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awall

02-05-2006 21:33:19




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what should compression be for a wisconsin TF or TFD air cooled 2 cylinder engine? did a compression check on both cylinders it has only 33 and 35lbs. would this be enough to start it? motor turns over good with starter but won't start. engine has sat for 10 plus years or so wasn't stuck and valves look to be working. has new carb kit in, points, plugs, rotor, cap. is getting good spark and timing seems to be ok. fuel pump is working and air cleaner is not blocked. is there any thing i am over looking and can try before i tear the engine apart

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awall

02-08-2006 21:48:48




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 Re: baler with wisconsin motor ( compression) in reply to awall, 02-05-2006 21:33:19  
Thanks everyone for the responses and tips they helped alot. Got the engine running wednesday evening. Putting oil down the cylinder did the trick. Gave it enough compression to start the engine. Runs and sounds good now. Will run it some more and recheck the compression later for curiosity sake. Got my parts from the local united auto parts and napa store. Thanks awall



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MACE

02-07-2006 13:24:44




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 Re: baler with wisconsin motor ( compression) in reply to awall, 02-05-2006 21:33:19  
I'm curious where you got your parts from. I have a New Holland 68 with a Wisconson 2 cylinder engine that needs parts. I believe mine is the TD version.

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MACE



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1031D

02-08-2006 05:49:57




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 Re: baler with wisconsin motor ( compression) in reply to MACE, 02-07-2006 13:24:44  
I get all of my parts from NAPA. I have a CASE baler with a V4 and a John Deere 14T with a TFD.



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Steve from New Holland

02-07-2006 04:22:04




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 Re: baler with wisconsin motor ( compression) in reply to awall, 02-05-2006 21:33:19  
This is a common problem for these Wisconsin engines, but a problem that is easily remedied. Take the spark plugs out and dumb at least one ounce or more of motor oil down the spark plug hole. Turn the engine over serveral times to get the cylinder walls and the pistons coated with the oil. Put the plugs back in and see if you don't have alot more compression. When the engine starts, it will smoke like sam hill, but it will not hurt anything. Oh, by the way, you will not see more than around 50 to 70 pounds compression on those old engines even when they are in great shape. Steve

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old

02-06-2006 08:34:44




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 Re: baler with wisconsin motor ( compression) in reply to awall, 02-05-2006 21:33:19  
I'd guess it has stuck rings. Fill the cylinders with tranny fluid and let it sit a day or 2. I have a couple old tractors that had compression reading like that and all I did to get them up was fill the cylinders with tranny fluid and now they are running are 100PSI in all cylinders.



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Coloken

02-06-2006 05:47:18




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 Re: baler with wisconsin motor ( compression) in reply to awall, 02-05-2006 21:33:19  
I do not know, but does the 2 cylinder engine have a compression release "easy crank" like the smaller one cylinder ones? If so, compression check would not be valid. That said, the common problem with the V4 engines was the valves leaking from running hot. this caused hard starting. No body cleaned out the air flow every day like they were supposed to. My guess is that you are short on compression. Prime with a little oil/gas misture. If 6 volt starter, use 12 volt battery and "wind it up". Used to do that every morning with a hay swather.

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