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Tim Daulton

02-05-2006 16:58:44

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For a small one man opertion. What is the best and cheapest route to go? ez-trail bale basket? NH bale wagon? or Acculumator and grapple? like to hear from what you experienced in using these.

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billyar

02-10-2006 15:02:47

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Tim Daulton, 02-05-2006 16:58:44

I have used an accumulator and grabber for seven years built in ar without it, I would not bale small bales.

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Hayman

02-07-2006 22:24:29

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Tim Daulton, 02-05-2006 16:58:44

I would quit haying if I couldn't use my old NH balewagon- one machine- one man operation. I have hills but not a lot of them so its not an issue.

As for a NH balwagon being high maintance??? I don't get that one at all.

For a smaller operation one of them smaller NH 100 bale or so pull type units would work ok I would think.

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CB in central NY

02-07-2006 06:20:47

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Tim Daulton, 02-05-2006 16:58:44

I use a BaleSport accumulator (8-bale) and grapple setup. I have a small operation (just myself and the wife) and load modified hay wagons. I then restack the hay into the barn.

Out here in central NY the land is moderately hilly (definitely not flat as a board) and with few exceptions I have no problems dragging bales on the ground with the accumulator. On occasion, if you hit a rut a bale might flip over, not an issue most of the time.

I made some modifications to the BaleSport system and have had some problems with their welds (a little light in some spots). Otherwise, a lot simpler and less finicky than a Hoelscher.

My 2 cents.

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RickL

02-06-2006 06:40:29

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Tim Daulton, 02-05-2006 16:58:44

I used the bales basket wagons for over ten-12 years and really like them. I highley recommend them,but ther is few tricks can tell you that will make them even better and easier to use. New $3500.00 to $3200 cash. used 1200.00 and down. i have access to them if that would help. Anyway the accumualtors are nice also thats what I run now. totaly takes the labor handling out of it. New Holland wagons are fine also,but they have some problems in the hills and I just didint have sheds to dump the piles. They need good solid uniform bales,will your current baler do that,the bale baskets don't care will acccept anything thats tied of course,although they will still take untied just just not what you want. Bale sport accumulator drags them on the ground those I would not have if they were free. tried similar unit in my area and ground better be flat as board.low spots waterways etc the bale tried to roll like balls.
Hoelscher/kuhn/steffens are the accumulators in my eyes. Kuhn simplest basic same frame as bale basket wagons. I run Hoelscher. 319-257-6764 give me call as I can giuve you lot of simple help with the basket and accumulator have ran both for years now. I would highley recommend bale baskets for you if you have help getting them into the barn cheapest and simplest.

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hayray

02-06-2006 03:28:58

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Tim Daulton, 02-05-2006 16:58:44

Tim,
that sounds about right for used, new will be anywherre from 2500 - 3000. For a small operation like yourself, the bale wagons I would think would be way too much maintenance, you also have the hilly ground to worry about. Buying one new basket will pay off big. You do not need labor to stack, especially on hilly ground, they unload in a couple of seconds, with kicker racks I used to need a couple guys in the wagon wrestlikng bales off to feed to a guy at the elevator, in order to keep a crews in the mough busy. Now all my help is up in the barn except a person or two at the elevator. With accumulators you still will need a substantial investment in equipment and labor to go back over the field and retrieve hay (works good out west where you may have a lot of time to get the hay off the field. I also pull my baskets down the road many miles to deliver hay, hard to do that with a bale wagon.

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Cliff Neubauer

02-06-2006 06:32:11

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Re: square bale handling in reply to hayray, 02-06-2006 03:28:58

We've had a NH 1034 bale wagon but they are high maintance and you need a big shed to stack in. I'd like to go with an accumulator and have enough wagons I could have 700-1,000 bales on wagons at one time. I've been looking at the Agway accumulator some and I like it's design but I think I can build one alot cheaper.

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Cliff Neubauer

02-06-2006 06:24:35

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RickL

02-06-2006 06:51:58

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 02-06-2006 06:24:35

Cliff; I have seen that unit in action and so did neighbor,that is the netherlexe unit/agway purchased, anyway it was a joke at the hay show.You must have flat land and the bales better be really sold or they will try ther darndest to roll. they finally parked it that day, never did get far enough to be able to dump bundle. Also depending on conditons sometimes that first bale in can be drug along ways in the field before they get tripped. I am not fan of the drag ground type period,if the hay is just for your own use then you could probabkly get by with them but selling hay from one I would not want to try it. If I were building one like you mentioned them at least have them on some rods to carry them low to the ground.

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kyhayman

02-05-2006 19:21:11

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Tim Daulton, 02-05-2006 16:58:44

Brad sums it up pretty well. I"d suggest you look at what will be your bottlenecks after labor isnt an issue. I went with a NH bale wagon because my next limit was a shortage of flat wagons to put hay from an accumulator on and then storage for those loaded wagons. Bale baskets impressed me a lot but I was going to need at least 3, and then where to dump them as the pile was going to eat up a lot of room. Cheapest option for my situation was a bale wagon. Admission ticket was $7000; $5100 for a good 1034 and the rest for labor to convert the barns. Went ahead and added another barn later for it.

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Brad in VA

02-05-2006 18:15:17

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Tim Daulton, 02-05-2006 16:58:44

Hello, you said for a "small" one man operation... Define small. Small here in our area of VA is maybe 500 bales. While in the midwest it maybe 5,000. If its really small then no equipment is going to be justified with the price. With baskets they still have to be unloaded. With a bale wagon you either have to unload them and stack them, unless you have a tall enough barn to dump/stack the load in the barn, and you have to have fairly flat land or you will spend alot of time restacking the wagon as the tables will sometimes let the bales slide and fall off or jam up. With the accumulator, you still have to have a barn to stack them that will accomadate your equipment. With all these options your looking at around $5,000 minimum of $3,000 for just the equipment. If it is really small id buy the beer and get your friends to help, or go to the local high school providing they have an ag dept. and FFA and tell them your looking for hay help. My 2cents.

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hayray

02-05-2006 17:19:43

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Tim Daulton, 02-05-2006 16:58:44

10 years ago I bought 3 EZ-trail baskets and have never looked back. I used kickers and flat racks before that, so that is what I have compared it to.

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Tim Daulton

02-05-2006 19:26:11

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Re: square bale handling in reply to hayray, 02-05-2006 17:19:43

2000 to 5000 bales depending on the acreage used, how many round bales, and the season. Land is fairly level, but I am in the rolling hills of Kentucky. I can get help but, do not plan one haying all at one time. I am retiring and plan on doing this on my timetable and mothernatures of course too. Not real concerned about storing in the barns I can do that fairly easily with the help of my son. I talked to one local farmer and he likes his NH bale wagon. I do understand that hay will attempt to slide on the NH. I hear positives about EZ-trail. They can be bought for about $1600.00 used. It this about right? How much are they new? Does anyone know about the balesport acculumator? Priced at about $6,000.00.

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Fordfarmer

02-07-2006 07:31:55

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Tim Daulton, 02-05-2006 19:26:11

I run 2 Pro-Quality hay baskets. This was the company that started the haybaskets - E-ZTrail started a couple years later, and the competition was too much for Pro-Quality. E-Z Trail's are heavier-built. $1600 sounds about right for a used one. I used to use flat racks, have helped with kicker racks, and watched a neighbor run a NH bale wagon... I'd go with the baskets. With a crew of 3, we've done up to 1300 bales a day- one running the baler, 1 hauling and putting bales on the conveyor, and one in the mow. Used to do 10,000+ bales per year, but have started making high-moisture round bales, so have cut back to about 4,000 - 5,000 small squares.

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504

02-07-2006 19:34:38

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Re: square bale handling in reply to Fordfarmer, 02-07-2006 07:31:55

Check this out balebandit.com

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