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Dear Forum,
I have both a NH 269 and 273 models of hay balers and was wondering what the daily capacity is with these machines. Taking into account no breakage of shear bolts or broken bales jamming things up and a good hay windrow. I will be baling mixed clover and grass hay. How many bales a day could these machines bale under ideal conditions? [Reply] [No Email]
Pierredet
04-04-2004 18:27:27
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Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capacity in reply to pierredet, 03-31-2004 07:26:47 Dear Forum,
Thank you all for your responses . I appreciated getting them and I guess I will find out for sure this summer how many bales these machines can produce. I will be sure to write my experiences down in the forum so everyone can see. Thank you all again for replying.
Pierre

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Hugh MacKay
03-31-2004 18:28:19
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Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capacity in reply to pierredet, 03-31-2004 07:26:47 pierre: I don't know what these guys are doing all day. I had a Super 69 with thrower, which is really just a predecessor of the 269. 2500 on the wagon and in the barn was a slow day, and a few days we hit the 4500 mark. 3000 to 3500 was average. We only had Farmall 130, 300 and a Cockshutt 540. One week I had to be away and my dad then in his fifties, along with 3 tenagers baled 2000 bales per day for 3 days, put them all in the barn and milked 40 cows.
I really never knew the limit on how much hay you could put through a NH baler per hour. We were always controled by the ability to handle the bales. I suspect baling on the ground, you could probably put 1000 to 1200 per hour through a Super 69. On many ocasions I've seen that S-69 tieing every three strokes of the plunger on 40 inch bales, and with a thrower, there is no point in making them any longer as the bales just buckle. I never changed a shear bolt in my life until it broke. Later on I baled with Farmalls 560D and 656D, didn't speed up anything, labour was still the limiting factor. I will say this, the diesels didn't break as many shear bolts either on the S-69 baler or the NH 460 haybine.

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04-04-2004 18:50:25
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Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capacity in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-31-2004 18:28:19 Huge!!!!960 bales an hour is a bale every 3 1/4 seconds..... a 269 or a 273 no way.. at 40lb bales thats 18 1/2 ton an hour.....not gonna happen not now..not when they were brandy new..... ..round balers will be pressed to put out that kinda tonnage.....A big square is the only machine capable of that kinda capacity.

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Hugh MacKay
04-04-2004 21:55:50
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Re: Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capa in reply to JD68, 04-04-2004 18:50:25 JD68: To start with I never said you could bale for hours on end putting out 1000 to 1200 per hour. I suggested that on numerous ocasions I have seen my S-69 tieing every 3rd stroke of the plunger. I believe if I remember correctly that baler did 72 strokes per min. Now that would be 24 bales per min or 1440 per hour. Now I realize you will not maintain a bale every 3 strokes of plunger on a consistant basis, nor will you do this baling on a wagon. I also never suggested that I did bale 1000 to 1200 per hour. I merely suggested it should be possible on short term and I still believe that.
If you are asuming that the 4500 bales per day on the wagon with thrower was my basis for suggesting 1000 to 1200 bales per hour that is not the case. The 4500 bales per day happened about 6 times in the 17 years we owned the S-69, and I can tell you they were 9 to 10 hour baling days. Not often you get those kind of days. I suspect our average baling with thrower onto wagon was in the order of 400 to 500 bales per hour. We had 22' wagons that held between 150 and 175 bales. Three loads per hour quite normal including hitching time. I did say 2500 per day was a slow day, the average was 3000 to 3500 per day.

I will give you another little tip. My dad maintained that baler. every morning he serviced it and one of the tasks was removing the plunger knife every morning for sharpening. He also adjusted if necessary.

Until the big roll baler came along hay making was never a high horse power job. You can go all the way back to pitching it on by hand, the hayloader, baling on ground, slide shutes, stookers, acumulators and bale throwers. Anyway you look at it your big demand was man power. If you have the manpower to handle the hay, a 40 hp tractor will bale all your going to do.

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04-02-2004 19:18:46
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Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capacity in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-31-2004 18:28:19 You must be in Alaska with them 6 month long days. Did that S69 of yours herd cattle and wash dishes too???
It's a good story tho. Shows alot of imagination.

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Hugh MacKay
04-03-2004 00:31:59
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Re: Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capa in reply to Burrhead, 04-02-2004 19:18:46 Burrhead: You are appropriately named.
45the parallel, S-69 balers had the ability to go through 35,000 bale seasons and miss less than 1/2 dozen bales. It was also built in an era when you could hire men that knew how to work.

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Hugh MacKay
04-03-2004 09:12:42
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Re: Re: Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-03-2004 00:31:59 Burrhead: You are the one that chose to get personal two posts ago. I rest my case. [Reply] [Send Email]
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Re: Re: Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-03-2004 00:31:59 Now Hugh I was'nt getting personal. I wish you would'nt too.
I've been around these balers all my life too. You are either telling us a funny or suffering from a bad memory or you are trying to tell unknowing folks and outright lie.

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wade
04-01-2004 07:11:00
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Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capacity in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-31-2004 18:28:19 now i would really like to see someone bale 1000-1200 bales an hour, seems a little extreme for me. [Reply] [No Email]
DD
04-01-2004 10:40:42
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Re: Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capa in reply to wade, 04-01-2004 07:11:00 That roughly works out to a bale every 3.5 strokes of the plunger. Yes, I'd agree that's a bit extreme..... [Reply] [No Email]
Hugh MacKay
04-01-2004 11:16:13
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Re: Re: Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling in reply to DD, 04-01-2004 10:40:42 DD: I guess you guys didn't read what I said, that being I've often seen my S-69 tieing every 3rd stroke of the plunger. And I did say 1000 to 1200 and baling on the ground. I am also just doing a guess on that as I rally never baled enough on the ground for a test. That is purely what I think a NH S-69 is capable of if pushed and with no wagons to fool with. [Reply] [No Email]
Hugh MacKay
04-01-2004 11:10:32
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Re: Re: Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling in reply to DD, 04-01-2004 10:40:42 DD: I guess you guys didn't read what I said, that being I've often seen my S-69 tieing every 3rd stroke of the plunger. [Reply] [No Email]
JMS/MN
03-31-2004 13:51:53
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Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capacity in reply to pierredet, 03-31-2004 07:26:47 I still have a 268- same as your 269 except that you have the better hitch- with the three pto joints. Best I ever did in one day was I baled 1200 into thrower racks, unloaded 900 into the barn conveyor with tip-off, and did both the morning and evening milkings. No help, my wife was expecting one of our six treasures. No problem with insomnia that night. Twenty-five years later, I'm not anywhere near that young anymore. [Reply] [No Email]
Hugh MacKay
03-31-2004 19:02:47
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Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capacity in reply to JMS/MN, 03-31-2004 13:51:53 JMS: On second reading of this I see you did this single handedly. My apologies, 1200 bales and morning and evening milking, pretty good chunk of work. [Reply] [Send Email]
JMS/MN
04-01-2004 07:33:58
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Re: Re: Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capa in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-31-2004 19:02:47 It was a long day. I had some borrowed racks, good weather, close to home, heavy windrows. Could bale til dark, but just didn't feel like unloading any more. [Reply] [No Email]
Mike (WA)
03-31-2004 12:16:59
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Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capacity in reply to pierredet, 03-31-2004 07:26:47 I had a 273, and found that 100 per hour was a good rule of thumb. It is fairly easy to "push" these balers too hard, especially if hay is not real dry- so be careful. Also, I routinely changed the shear bolt about every thousand bales, because they do wear out (and baler will clog when they shear). [Reply] [No Email]
jerry
03-31-2004 11:01:43
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Re: NH 269 and 273 hay balers baling capacity in reply to pierredet, 03-31-2004 07:26:47 about as much as people who are loading or unloading can stand. If with a thrower by yourself and 2 wagons, and fast unloading, 8-900 a day providing you don't need to mess with them after they leave the wagon. if baling onto the ground, to pick up later, with good going and plenty of twine and enough hay, and weather is right, maybe upwards of 2000- Now are you going to use both balers at the same time?
Others will have different thoughts and most assured different figures for their areas. [Reply] [No Email]

I've tried (to no avail) suggesting to YT that a page be set up for dating and describing different makes and models of equipment. I know you guys have all the information needed, we just need to get it all together in one spot. Let's start with New Holland balers. If you look back through the history, you see someone is asking nearly every day about a different model of baler. They are asking how old, what size, good and bad points etc. I've got the same questions and would love to see the answers in one place. Can you guys please help me out? (Noteably Steve from N.H. Pa: I've seen you saying you could go on and on about NH balers, here's your chance. I'm asking you to go on and on!)

Model #65 1960-1965 14x16 bales
#66 '52-'55 14x16 wadboard feeder instead of aluminum fingers-ve wood on plunger-ve
#67 '58-'61 14x16
#68 '56-'58 14x16 wood on plunger-ve
#69 ?

Some of the above balers had wooden parts on their plungers(-
ve means this is an undesirable item) However, most of these models were available as a Super: all Supers have rollers instead of wood on their plungers. #S66
#S67 What else does Super mean?
#S68
#S69

#268 '64-'68 14x16 very good baler, but slow
#269 '64-'68 same as #268 except longer tongue with extra U-
joint.+ve
#270 '61-'63 14x16
#271 '61-'63 same as #270 with longer tongue and extra U-
joint+ve
#272 '64-'68 14x16 very good, but slow #273 '72-'77 14x16 very good, but slow
#275 ?
#276 '72-'76
#278 ?
#279 ?

All balers models started after 1963 had the longer tongue with the extra U-joint(3 total)for better turning ability.

The above balers were made to run at 61-66 plunger strokes per minute which makes them 'low capacity' compared to some later balers which were made to run much faster.

A Super Sweep pick-up was optional on some of these balers. The Super Sweep has 6 bars of teeth instead of 4, and has more teeth closer together than the standard pick-up. The Super Sweep works better with less waste than the standard pick-up.

#310 '78-'82 14x16 nearly same as #273 except designed to run at 75 strokes per minute (spm) instead of 66spm like the 273. Feeder track assemblies blow apart at this speed, and some plungers will break. Should be ran 20% below recommended speed.
#311 '75-'89 14x16 followed #310 Great baler because it was designed to withstand it's recommended strokes per minute(spm)
#315 '75-'82 14x16 see #310 should be ran 20% below recommended speed
#316 see #311 followed #315 great baler
#320 Super high capacity see #310 recommended 105 spm should only be ran at 90 spm
#326 see #311 followed #320 great baler

That's all I know at this time. Please feel free to add or make corrections. Let's complete the entire list detailing any options, good and bad points. Then we will see if YT will consider the idea for other implements and/or tractors.