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Rich Iowa

01-29-2006 05:33:26




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I was wondering how many of you do some sort of strip tillage? I was thinking of using one form or another when I start growing corn to help reduce the trips through the field, plus fuel usage. I plan on using a rc cultivator modified to handle the higher residues and a rotary hoe to help control weeds. I presently have a JD 494 4-38 row planter, I assume I"d have to custom fab. some row clearing equipment for this planter. Do you think this planter would hold up to stip-till? How does a runner type planter compare to a disk opener type planter in this kind of environment? Planting corn into soybean residue would be no problem, but how about soybeans into corn residue? I would think with 36 or 38in. rows, there wouldn"t be as much residue as with 30in. rows. I"d like to hear any and all opinions on this idea.

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pbutler

01-30-2006 06:37:20




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 05:33:26  
Look for a JD7000 or IH Cyclo. 4-row stuff is cheap. Don't try to do no-till with a runner planter, seed placement is too important in corn.

Here are a couple helpful links:

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Also check out notillfarmer.com



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Randy-IA

01-29-2006 10:27:34




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 05:33:26  
Hi Rich , I don't know anything about planters but I go to a few auctions and it seems as though the IH 900 cyclo's are for sale everywhere and go for little to a little more . Have you found some more land ? Did you check into that program they are offering now for young farmers ? Some older farmer in your area might do it for the breaks . Good luck ! ...Randy



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Rich Iowa

01-29-2006 11:37:35




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Randy-IA, 01-29-2006 10:27:34  
Hi there Randy. I haven"t found anymore land yet, but I"m allways looking. I"ve talked to the local FSA and FCSA offices. Basiclly need 2-3 years of Schedule F forms to show I have some management experience, dealing with expenses, incomes, etc. That and about 20-30% down for farmland. I think I"m gonna get rid of the planter and put that money into my "farm fund." Just gonna have to keep chipping away at this stuff I guess. How"s your disk coming along

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Randy-IA

01-29-2006 17:08:46




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 11:37:35  
Hi Rich , Keep it up ! You'll get there ! It sounds like you have a good plan so stick with it . From what I understand you can rent planters so that might be something to look in to . For your acres you'd only need it a day or two each year so maybe you'd be money ahead .

The disk is not really a high priority but I thought I'd ask about some parts . Got a few leads . I need to get those hangers so they are available when I'm ready to work on it ( read - when the ground dries up some LOL ) I also got that 565 plow that needs adjusting to my 1755 . The guy I bought it from either had it set for his tractor which was one of those russion jobs about the same size as my oliver or he didn't have it set up right at all so that needs to be looked at . I'm also working on some small things on the M right now . Trying to get some lights going on it and rewire it , then I'll have to pull the belly pump and work on it . Later this year I want to tear the transmission out of it and rebuild that because it growls pretty good , but it'll make it through I think . And I should have worked on the steering today but didn't . I tightened it up a while ago and got it too tight so I need to loosen it some . It got so tight because someone put shim washers under the gear and I thought they were supposed to be there but they're not so now I have to take them out and put in new upper and lower bushings and the lower bearing . I got it to have some more things to work on and keep me busy - Like I don't have enough of that already ! Take care and Good Luck ! ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

01-30-2006 18:52:09




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Randy-IA, 01-29-2006 17:08:46  
I"ve got plenty to do on my 1650, upgrade the battery cables, check the starter, etc, etc. Probably have it all done by now if I had a heated shop, instead of the top of a hill. I still think you"ll like that M, it"ll come in mighty handy.



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RickL

01-29-2006 08:02:19




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 05:33:26  
simple as this,get you a different planter period. Those old runner types don't stand a chance to seed placement to the later style openers. get you 7000 Deere ,Kinze unuit or IH 800 or 900 series unit. The IH will no-till th e simplest without buying the ezxtra stuff in my trials. Setting up more Kinze right now in shop. I have all available for sale if that would help or if you need more questions answered. nAs far as the cultivator modifying just get you a single sweep style and be done with it as they will not be that much dollars and that is another fad that has pretty well went by the way side. Have several those also , I am not to far from you I d on't think

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Rich Iowa

01-29-2006 09:12:45




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to RickL, 01-29-2006 08:02:19  
Rick, where are you located again? Can you attach a link to your website, I don"t remember the address. Right now I"m just throwing more ideas on the table. I"d like to get started in hogs before I get real serious about raising crops. Thanks, Rich



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RickL

01-29-2006 11:12:45




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 09:12:45  
Going into hogs make sure you have outlet as buyers around me unless you can do semi load lots they reqlly don't want deal with ya. Few head does not equal much dollars anyway. another one of those been there done that thing. You need to find an item that can be sold in consumer market (city folk) way more dollars and customer base there. Just like me doing the straw thing for the ag use can't even afford to bale it. But in the retail market and horse market it beats raiseing corn and beans period.

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Rich Iowa

01-29-2006 11:42:28




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to RickL, 01-29-2006 11:12:45  
I allready have a market for the hogs, Niman Ranch Pork Co. As soon as I find a place I can raise them, I"ll be in the hog business. Being about 20 min. or so from DM, I"m close to alot of markets. Hard to do anything on 5 acres when all you can do is bale hay.



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RickL

01-29-2006 12:47:08




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 11:42:28  
No but you will find out as far as crops go if you make good forage it will be more profitable per acre than corn beans.



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RickL

01-29-2006 12:46:35




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 11:42:28  
No but you will find out as far as crops go if you make good forage it will be more profitable per acre than corn beans.



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Rich Iowa

01-30-2006 18:55:23




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to RickL, 01-29-2006 12:46:35  
I know what ya mean about good forage being more valuable. If I put corn in down at my dad"s, the deer would have the time of their lives. Doesn"t matter how many you harvet, there are still too many.



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RickL

01-31-2006 05:30:03




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 18:55:23  
Yea the deer are terrible thick all over in Iowa, but that is the minor part of corn crop as the price of corn received does not cover cost of production. You can buy corn cheaper than you can raise it. Now if you could work at raising corn to sell to the consumer market for the people who are using the corn burners then you could make some money cause you could price it a 4-7 dollars bushel. Thats just another fad going thru thou like the wood stove were few years back. Everythig goes in fads and if you can catch the fad with a product you will do well. As far as forages go even good grass hay is valuable just as much as straight alfalfa

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jddriver

01-29-2006 06:23:18




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 05:33:26  
I have a 7000 4-38s for no till for sale.It is all very heavy duty we are changing our operation and need to sell it steve



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Aaron SEIA

01-29-2006 05:56:17




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 05:33:26  
The idea behind strip tillage is to use a row cleaner ahead of an NH3 application to leave clean strips through the field that are about a foot wide. If not the NH3, then some kind of tillage along with the row cleaners to get good black dirt. This is generally done in the fall so that in the spring those black strips warm up faster. That gets better germination and a faster emergence. As for the planter...I think it's time to upgrade. A JD 7000 4-38 should be bought for next to nothing. There are many, many things that can be done to one of those to allow strip tillage. Just go to www.yetterco.com and poke around there. There is also a company called Martin (www.martinandcompany.com/Strip-Tilling.html) that has some good equipment. I think you would be better off just no-tilling the beans into corn stalks. If I remember right, you are from NE or NC Iowa. If you can, get down to Coggen to the Coleman consignment auction this spring. I'd bet you can find the planter and some row cleaners there that'd do the job.
Aaton SEIA

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Rich Iowa

01-29-2006 06:03:51




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Aaron SEIA, 01-29-2006 05:56:17  
I have thought of buying a 7000 planter, nice and simple planters. The reason I was thinking of using the 494 was I got a great deal on it, and I"ve had it for a couple years. If it won"t hold up to my future plans, I probably should part with it. You were close on the location, I"m in central Iowa, near DM. Coggen would be quite a ways to pull a planter, especially around DM metro area. Thanks for the help.

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Seth_ia

01-29-2006 11:44:40




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 06:03:51  
No-tilling beans into cornstalks works well if you put a no-till coulter in front of the row unit. Don"t use the factory unit that comes with the jd 7000. I would suggest Dawn but there are other good companies too. Expect about $100-125/row. In central iowa no-till bean are doable with persistance, but corn can be touchy. If the combine has a chopper bean straw is no problem for a decent older field cultivator. I just got rid of a 1010(?) jd for $650 that had no problem going through chopped bean straw. You will be money doing this on corn starting out. Minimum-till cultivators really need a hydrolic third link to be adjusted correctly and they DON"T work in damp soil. Junk the rotary hoe. If not done at proper time, it will cause too much plant damage. If buying a decent planter stick with 6 row, 30 inch. Wide row are history to anyone serious. Going 30inch now will save alot of money latter.

As for the hog, either hook up with one of these small direct market coops like Eden Natural, or give up. Packer won"t pay enough for small bunches. My neighbors have a contract for 50,000 hogs a year with one packer. With a steady stream of hogs like that why would a packer screw with a few hogs form a small producer. If you want to have a few head of livestock try cows, sheep, or even goats. The comunity college in marshalltown puts on goat raising classes.

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fixerupper

01-29-2006 08:56:28




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 Re: strip tillage in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-29-2006 06:03:51  
Rich, buy a 7000 or something equivalent! Period! I stayed with a runner planter for too long just because I owned it. Then I bought a 7000. That was fifteen years ago and I am still kicking myself for not doing it sooner. I had been loosing money by being cheap. There was no comparison in the depth control, the ability to handle trash and the seed spacing. Jim



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