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Tileing wet ground ?? ( sp) tile

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Lou

01-18-2006 13:08:31




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Ive got an idea how they do it profesionly , with the big dozer with the hook that buries the plastic pipe. any ideas of how to do it on the cheap?? Thanks Lou




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Lou

01-19-2006 06:35:53




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 Re: Tileing wet ground ?? ( sp) tile in reply to Lou, 01-18-2006 13:08:31  
Appreciate the information. They say the truth hurts, and it seems to fit tileing, its pretty expensive.



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iowa_1650

01-18-2006 16:50:38




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 Re: Tileing wet ground ?? ( sp) tile in reply to Lou, 01-18-2006 13:08:31  
Do not get a tile plow, many problems just waiting to happen. Stretch the tile too much and it breaks in ground. The only way you know if you hit an existing tile is when it bubbles up, months later. Hire a professional with a tiling machine, i.e. digs a trench and make sure he has a laser and GPS. The laser for grade/fall and the GPS so he can give you a map of tile lines. If you have a GPS for your combine/tractor most GPS programs can "read" each other and you can get to within 3 foot of the lines.

I worked on a tiling crew in the 80's and as recently as the spring of 04 and still run the GPS side of the business.

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Cliff Neubauer

01-18-2006 16:15:29




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 Re: Tileing wet ground ?? ( sp) tile in reply to Lou, 01-18-2006 13:08:31  
It depends how much you want to do. If you have lots (hundreds of thousands of feet) a tile plow pulled by a big tractor would be the cheapest but otherwise just hire it done. We looked at tile plows a few years ago and I'd say it would take about $20,000 to buy a new one today with a lazer plus you need a tile stringer trailer and a backhoe to dig the starts out with. We've been hiring 4" tile plowed in for I think about $.60 per foot and the tile itself is about half that price. We decided that at that price we really couldn't justify owning our own tiling equipment but finding the time to do it was also a big factor.

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Michael Soldan

01-18-2006 16:14:54




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 Re: Tileing wet ground ?? ( sp) tile in reply to Lou, 01-18-2006 13:08:31  
Lou how much land do you have to tile? Drainage has become more cost efficient in recent years for a variety of reasons, mostly technical. Here in southern Ontario we used to figure $1000 an acre for drainage but with new techniques that figure has dropped to less than $500 an acre( heard one fella did some for around $400 this summer) You really need the laser technology to get the correct fall. I have had a back hoe operator come in and do repairs, he was good , could get a nice fall,knew drainage and made a good job. There just isn't a cheap way other than was suggested , the three man system, one breaking the sod away with a round mouth shovel, second with a flat spade and the third with a narrow mouthed spade, darned hard work but I've seen it and those guys were older men at the time , surprising how far they got in a day. I have dug up wooden tile(triangular wooden construction, square tile with a round hole,2", clay tile of 3,4 and 6" diameter, cement tile, black and white plastic) every kind of drainage ever tried....good luck finding someone to help...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Quebec Red

01-19-2006 16:23:33




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 Re: Tileing wet ground ?? ( sp) tile in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-18-2006 16:14:54  
Hey Micheal, are you giving out your secrets on your training to compete with Wiarton Willie????? ?? Or did you acquire such skills chasing some of his kin????? ?? Just curious. QR



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paul

01-18-2006 15:55:27




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 Re: Tileing wet ground ?? ( sp) tile in reply to Lou, 01-18-2006 13:08:31  
In the old days they dug with 3 people, tile spades. they sell for about $35, so it's pretty cheap. But, likely _not_ what you had in mind. :)

Cheapest, buy a used tile plow, use your 150hp+ tractor with front wheel assist or 4wd, do your tiling, and resell the tile machine to the next fella.

Biggest hassle is getting a timely appoval from the govt, can't just tile any more, need it ok'ed so you aren't draining wetlands.

If you don't have the hp to pull the plow, then you need to hire a neighbor or a pro. The old wheel or chain diggers might be selling cheaper these days, but they are a maintenence nightmare, so nothing cheap about operating one. Very nice if you want a trench to work in tho, not knocking them!

There are deep ripping mole rigs that possibly create water channels in your soil over a foot deep, & will help drainage in the right soils, right conditions, for up to 5-6 years. This is not good, too much rain, need water to pour away drainage, but can help in the right situation.

--->Paul

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steve from mo - dangit!

01-18-2006 13:44:01




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 Has it ever been tiled before? in reply to Lou, 01-18-2006 13:08:31  
Most parts of farm country have been tiled over the years. You might want to look at how your wet spot lies in relation to creeks, swales, or property lines. Sometimes a tile line gets crushed or broken where you cross it with equipment, and sometimes a "neighbor" will plug your outlet to stop water from draining onto his land.



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pbutler

01-18-2006 13:36:14




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 Re: Tileing wet ground ?? ( sp) tile in reply to Lou, 01-18-2006 13:08:31  
Get last months Prarie Farmer magazine-couple good articles on it.

Basically said if your ground if pretty flat don't try to do it yourself-needs to have drop and too hard to do 1" over 300' without professional laser/gps high dollar stuff.

If your ground is a bit more rolling and you have a large 4wd tractor I would talk to local NRCS people to help come up with a plan. Sometimes you can get costshare if job will help avoid erosion-but then you have to do to their specs or they don't pay.

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