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Discbine mowers (long)

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M Nut

01-08-2006 15:34:58




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Well, I am considering updating from 9ft haybine to a discbine. A change in my Summer job requires that I cut hay while it is damp in the evenings, so I can bale when dry during the day on the weekends. Here's where I need help.
These are the tractors I can run one with: 1970 4020 JD Syncro. Diesel, 970 Case powershift Diesel, or my Brother's 686 International Diesel.
I am currently looking at two different machines.
1. 1998 John Deere 930 MoCo that the local dealer has gone thru and serviced this winter. Rebuilt cutting pods, nice paint, very clean. It is a 9ft cut machine. Price is $9,800.
2. A New Idea AGCO 5212 Discbine. Nice clean machine. 11ft 6inch cut. Price is $7,950.
We cut mostly grass hay, some clover, and some canary. Do I have enough horsepower on any of the tractors? I know I would never cut faster than 4-5 mph. Also, any info on either of these machines? Any other brand recomendations? This would replace a 1219 John Deere Haybine that is in excellent shape. Never sat outside overnight. I hate to sell it, but I know I can't cut when it is damp with a sickle machine. Thanks for your help.

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farmerboy

01-11-2006 20:28:47




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 Re: Discbine mowers (long) in reply to M Nut, 01-08-2006 15:34:58  
I put a lot of acres behind and really like the 5209. I pulled it behind a 4010 in SW WI hills with no problems. I'm not so sure on the 5212. I know a few guys who who have them and they aren't too keen on them. Don't ask me why, I've never been in too deep of a discussion on them. Maybe they aren't built heavy enough or something. One guy I know has a lot of problems with the gearboxes. He doesn't do a good job of maintaining his equipment, though. The 5209 is definately built well.

One thing I've been told time and time again by many people is "never buy a used discbine". They're a very high speed machine with many parts that, if not well maintained, will cause a lot of troubles down the road. Guess it's a "pay full price now or pay full price later" sort of thing. If you do buy used, make sure you meet the previous owner and figure out how well he maintains his machinery.

Good luck whichever way you go.

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HA in Oh

01-11-2006 12:44:41




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 Re: Discbine mowers (long) in reply to M Nut, 01-08-2006 15:34:58  
I think the 930 is a 12' machine a 920 is a 9'er.



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Andrew from KY

01-08-2006 17:24:05




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 Re: Discbine mowers (long) in reply to M Nut, 01-08-2006 15:34:58  
That 4020 and 970 won't have any problems pulling those machines, and the 686 would be okay in alfalfa as it's not as thick as some other hays (fescue, or clover/orchard). We run 5209 New Ideas with a 3055 JD and a 1896 Case. The The NI mowers are very good machines in my opinion, we run an old gray one and a one year old model as well. I've looked the JD ones over before and I'm not really impressed with them, but that's just me. That does sound like a low price for the NI unit, what color (red or gray) is it and do you know how many acres it has been over?

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M Nut

01-08-2006 18:09:15




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 Re: Discbine mowers (long) in reply to Andrew from KY, 01-08-2006 17:24:05  
It is Red. I don't know the number of acres, but am going to find out more information tomorrow. Thanks for the reply.



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kyhayman

01-08-2006 20:46:35




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 Re: Discbine mowers (long) in reply to M Nut, 01-08-2006 18:09:15  
Pleanty of horsepower for either. The 686 might be a tad short, but the 6 cyl IH diesels always ran deep with the hp.

I"d buy the NI, if you dont and its a decent drive. I"ll look at it for me, thats a great price on a great mower.



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Andrew from KY

01-09-2006 10:40:06




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 Re: Discbine mowers (long) in reply to kyhayman, 01-08-2006 20:46:35  
You're absolutely right kyhayman, the NI discbines are great machines. They're fairly easy to work on and in my opinion built better than any other discbine that's sold in this area (NH, JD/Kuhn).



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M Nut

01-09-2006 05:36:37




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 Re: Discbine mowers (long) in reply to kyhayman, 01-08-2006 20:46:35  
I'll let you know what I decide. Probably won't make a decision until this weekend, I need time to think and do some last checking to be sure the job change is happening. If it doesn't, I won't need the discbine. I'm located in MN, but the machine is in WI.



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Andrew from KY

01-08-2006 19:09:48




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 Re: Discbine mowers (long) in reply to M Nut, 01-08-2006 18:09:15  
They started painting them red sometime in the 90s, and are also the same machine as the MF and maybe Hesston discbines too. If it's fairly new I think I'd be a litle wary of it, a new 5209 (9 ft model) runs around $15-17k in this area.



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DaleK

01-08-2006 16:31:03




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 Re: Discbine mowers (long) in reply to M Nut, 01-08-2006 15:34:58  
Either the JD or Case should run a 9' fine, not sure about the other tractor. We run a 12' Hesston 1340, originally ran it with an 83hp MFWD AC 6080 which had plenty of power to run it but wasn't heavy enough to hold it on hills, the discbine tended to push the (loaded) back wheels on the tractor wherever it wanted to go. Now use a JD 7510 which has no problems. If your ground is flat you should be able to make the wider one work although it'll be pushing it. Also 11' and up are usually 1000 RPM, smaller ones can be 640. That sounds awfully cheap for the wider machine, must be a basketcase.

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