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PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!!

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GARRY FELDMANN

01-07-2006 12:35:37




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I JUST BOUGHT THIS PLOW AND THE ONLY MARKINGS ARE ON THE MAIN BEAMS, THEY ARE 439,440,441. IT IS A JOHN DEERE 3 BOTTOM PULL TYPE TRIP PLOW. NO BODY AROUND HERE KNOWS WHAT IT IS , I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO FIND A PICTURE IF POSSIBLE SO ANY HELP WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL THANKS




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Bob Collins

01-08-2006 15:01:01




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to GARRY FELDMANN, 01-07-2006 12:35:37  
I have to agree with Stan except on the years, my book shows the 439 beam was not used until 1918 and that seems to be the only year it was used on the number 5 plow. In 1919 they used beams 457, 458, and 459. Beams 439 and 440 were also used on #6 plows 1916-1918 but the 441 beam was not. My vote would have to be for a 1918 #5 plow, picture or not.



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Mark

01-07-2006 14:29:05




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to GARRY FELDMANN, 01-07-2006 12:35:37  
Fellers,

I am in sort of the same boat. I bought an old used Ford 3 pt. 3-14" plow and I would like to identify it so I can get a manual or schematic drawings. I have never posted a pix here..hope it isn't too difficult. Do you need numbers as well? I think the plate may still be legible.



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Mark

01-10-2006 15:17:40




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Mark , 01-07-2006 14:29:05  
well, I discovered my plow is a Ford 101 series. thanks for all the help.



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Ken Crisman

01-07-2006 16:33:43




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Mark , 01-07-2006 14:29:05  
Go ask Ed Gooding at [email protected] . He will assist you .Also manuals are available for a small charge . Ken



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Hugh MacKay

01-07-2006 13:41:30




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to GARRY FELDMANN, 01-07-2006 12:35:37  
Garry: I agree with the others, a photo of your plow would be most helpful. You may not realize this but probably every John Deere plow built within a 15 year era of yours, used the same moldboards, shins, points and coulters as yours.

The plows I am most familiar with are IH. I have two plow books containing 65 different models of IH plows. If I single out the plows built prior to 1962, aprox 20 models of trailer and mounted plows, yet all used the same ground working tools. In 1962 IH made major changes in their plows. If I look at post 1962 plows, close to 45 models of mounted, semi-mounted and trailer plows, again they all used the same plow chief or super chief bottoms. However some features of the old plows remained.

I know John Deere had just as much variety as IH, thus you a going to encounter much the same trying to identify your plow. As I see it, it will be a whole lot easier to have you post a photo of your plow, rather than a 100 guys trying to post all the variations until you see your plow. Again, unless you are right on top of plow terminology, it is going to be damn hard to identify the plow by description. They do not have distinguishing features like tractors.

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Stan - Florida

01-07-2006 13:36:19




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to GARRY FELDMANN, 01-07-2006 12:35:37  
I believe you have a No. 5 plow, from the 1916-1918 era.

The beam numbers for the No. 5 are defined in a Green Magazine article from some years ago...they are as follows:

"439, 440 beam numbers...12", 14" two and three bottoms, 1916-1918"

"441 beam number.....14" rear beam for three bottoms only, 1916-1918"


Based on the above info, it looks like yours must be a 3-14" plow.

Stan



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Dave H (MI)

01-08-2006 06:59:17




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Stan - Florida, 01-07-2006 13:36:19  
Wow....I wonder if you are correct? That is really taking a leap but would be facinated to know if your right. Probably never know.



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Hugh MacKay

01-08-2006 08:10:53




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-08-2006 06:59:17  
Dave: Stan is probably correct. I for one am not about to argue with him, especially when the subject is Deere. That is exactly how I met Stan, I asked a Deere question so old, I thought no one could answer. Bingo, within 20 min. I had a photo of a John Deere 116W baler on my screen. I'm not insinuating Stan is a hunderd years old or anything of the kind. Actually I figured out just a short while ago, he's only a few years older than I. He has one great wealth of Deere information at his finger tips. He's not too shabby on other makes either.

So much for all those instructions we gave on how to identify a plow. Stan blew us right out of the water.

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Stan - Florida

01-08-2006 07:57:46




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-08-2006 06:59:17  
Well, all I can go by is a series of articles in Green Magazine back in '02. I don't post on here often, and then only when I have what I feel is a reliable source of information.

I'm sorry that you probably will never know if I'm right.

Stan



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GARRY FELDMANN

01-08-2006 18:21:44




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Stan - Florida, 01-08-2006 07:57:46  
THE GUY FROM FLORIDA IS CORRECT!!!! I LIVE CLOSE TO OTTUMWA IA., A OLDER RETIRED MAN FROM JOHN DEERE WORKS IN OTTUMWA ALSO SAYES ITS A # 5 BUT WASN"T SHURE ABOUT THE DATE BUT PROBLY CLOSE, SO THANKS TO EVERYBODY"S RESPONSE!!!!GARRY FELDMANN



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Dave H (MI)

01-08-2006 09:59:50




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Stan - Florida, 01-08-2006 07:57:46  
Based on what Hugh tells me, I would take odds that you are correct. Seems very few people follow up on responses to their questions so, in that sense, we will never know absolutely unless the fella comes back with the pics. Hopefully he will post back so we can all see and learn.



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Hugh MacKay

01-08-2006 18:15:27




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-08-2006 09:59:50  
Dave: You are quite correct on that matter of folks not confirming what they find out. They come here ask a question, get several good responces, then never respond themselves. Little do they realize other folks may be wanting to learn from the question at hand. So very very important to let the guys know how you make out with the advice given.

Then you get the other end of the spectrum, a guy come on here asking how to put a gear shift knob on a Farmall H. There are about 3 other threads going on the same subject at the time. So many folks just wont take the time to read anything. I regularly get 3 times as much knowledge as I give here everyday.

Just to give you an example of folks not reading, and just how reading can reap dividends. I once picked up a fellow farmer on my way to a farm meeting. From his house we proceeded to a highway I rarely traveled. As I turned onto this highway he warned me to watch my speed. He warned me a second time, and on the same breath said your too late they got you on the radar. He then advised me this highway had it speed limit reduced from 60 mph to 50 mph. I told him to keep his mouth shut while I talked with the officer.

I rolled down my window, officer wanted to see my lisence, etc. He then said, " Mr MacKay we clocked you at 58 mph." I said, "so what's the problem." He said, " Problem is speed limit is 50 mph." I said, "Since when." He said, "Since they opened the new 4 lane and wanted folks to use it rather than this highway." I said, "Fine but if you look at my address this is a road I rarely travel and if it hadn't been for picking up my friend I wouldn't be here this morning and besides the speed limit is not posted. I came on this highway from 24 and there is no speed limit sign between there and here. If there is a sign it is beyond where I turned on. He said, "No there is a speed limit sign by the park." I said, "Sir that sign says it is illegal dump garbage on the highway." He said, " Mr MacKay, I'm going to let you off, it is such a welcome surprise to know somebody actually reads signs." So friends, it always pays to read more than you write. Bet that surprises you guys, you think all I do is type.

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Quebec Red

01-09-2006 20:08:31




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-08-2006 18:15:27  
So true, and a good little story to back up your example!!! QR



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Stan - Florida

01-08-2006 14:00:07




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-08-2006 09:59:50  
If he does post back with a picture, it will most likely look like the picture John Deere No. 5 Plow over in the Implement Photos Gallery.

The picture I posted is a little small and is a scan of a previous photocopy, so it's not great.

Stan



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Dave H (MI)

01-07-2006 13:15:12




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to GARRY FELDMANN, 01-07-2006 12:35:37  
Am I confused? First, turn of your cap lock so it doesn't look like you are yelling at us. Second, why do you need a picture of a plow that is in your yard?

You need to get someone to snap a digital pic of YOURS and post it here then someone will help you ID it if possible. You might want to take a good hard look at the entire plow for some other clues.
If their is any paint maybe you can see the remnants of the model number on the beam? I have a few plows sitting around here and might help. If nothing else, describe it in great detail.

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TomTX

01-07-2006 13:09:14




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 Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY MY PLOW!!!!!!!! in reply to GARRY FELDMANN, 01-07-2006 12:35:37  
You haven't given us much to go on. How about you posting a picture of your plow?



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