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Dave from ny

01-04-2006 03:59:51




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I am looking for a chaep implement to spread bulk lime. I have a tub type spreader, but was told that bulk lime is to moist to spread in that type of spreader. Any sugestions of a something cheap to spread moist lime and save money over the bagged lime?




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ricedaddy

01-05-2006 16:21:16




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 03:59:51  
check on liquid lime, easy to put out!



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Dave from ny

01-05-2006 16:54:37




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to ricedaddy, 01-05-2006 16:21:16  
Never thought of that... Would you know about the cost and what equipment to apply?



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Dave from ny

01-05-2006 04:09:07




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 03:59:51  
Hey Lou, Let me know what you find out from Cornell. I was thinking about beans too. Biologic has a new product out this year that is a combo of roundup ready beans and corn. It's called BioMaxx. Trying to get more info. I was wondering if an old flail spreader filled up only 1/4 to 1/2 full would work? or would it just make one h*** of a mess



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Lou

01-05-2006 10:21:48




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-05-2006 04:09:07  
Dave I can only tell you what I did , which was to plant Organic soy beans no Round up, Its deer candy. I used a 4 row planter and cultivated them a few times for weed control, had combine trouble plus wet conditions and never harvested them, deer went crazy, 30 turkeys twice a day, breakfast then dinner. good luck



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Dave from ny

01-05-2006 10:31:08




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Lou, 01-05-2006 10:21:48  
Thank's Lou, Trying to get a hold of the local farm supplyer now. I am getting a lot of info now. Just trying to save some money. Wife gets mad when I spend so much on wildlife and hunting. Says that I am playing and should get to work. I have seen several types of small spreaders, but was also coming up with ideas to possibly make one. Thought maybe something simular to the front of a forage wagon with agitators through out the tub. Might not be heavy enough. Just a thought

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wilburnandcheryl

01-05-2006 04:19:03




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-05-2006 04:09:07  
dave i have just traded for a trailer type spreader it is a john deere.it has the slopped sides .an instead of a belt .it has a chain going down the middle of it.it is wheel drive so u do not have to have a pto.it is in pretty good shape .needs some cosmetic work is bought all.it is for sale or trade.o yea was told it would hold around a ton .thinking bought going on sat.the seventh an get me some bulk lime an put out on my property.if you are interested then let me know

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Tim(nj)

01-05-2006 08:55:38




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 Keep a shovel handy in reply to wilburnandcheryl, 01-05-2006 04:19:03  
That type of spreader that Deere and AC sold at one time is useless for damp pulverized lime. It will usually bridge over the chain and not flow, and if it does decide to floor, then the gate will sometimes plug up and you"ll lock up your wheels or break a drive component. They do work well with pelletized or granular materials, though.



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Dave from ny

01-04-2006 12:15:06




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 03:59:51  
Hey Lou, I'm further south, just east of Binghamton. I hope to contact the local farm store to see if they have a spreader that I could use. I have a small pc of property, 107 ac and I want to establish food plots for wildlife. Most of these will be under 1 ac in size, thus the need to spread myself as I believe most comercial operations have a minumum delivery. One issue that I have, if I am right is that the truck spreaders would throw a swath so wide that a lot of the lime would not end up in the plot. I also heard that pelletized lime only stays in the soil one year, maybe two and that would mean applying the more expensive lime every year or so. I have seen small atv type spreaders, but they don't look very well built. I have a small tractor as well as use of larger equipment. Just hoping to get started before the spring season gets really busy. Anymore ideas would sure be appreciated.

Dave

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Lou

01-04-2006 12:27:48




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 12:15:06  
Hi Dave, We are about 200 miles away. Im not interested in a 1 yr fix, so I need to go with the bulk lime. Ill probably spread it myself. If you want deer plant soy beans, I had about 8 acres last year, deer ate most of them , turkey ate the rest. Im waiting for a call from Cornell extension , see if they can hook me up with the right lime distributor.



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nw_bearcat

01-04-2006 10:16:39




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 03:59:51  
the pel-lime that is mentioned will spread through a regular fert. spreader, but it is only a one year fix, 2 at best. it is finely ground lime that is pelletized into small balls, they spread good, but break down fast, and thus will not neutralize the soil over as long of a period. if you decide to spread yourself, consider that most soils that are enough in need of lime to justify spreading will require about 2ton/acre, so you will handle alot of product. Also, many applicators will not spread less than 10A, so it is best to check. if it is a smaller job, a custom applicator may try to push you to the pel-lime any way.

We would spread on the snow, and I don't think it was detrimental to the job...try tossing some sand onto a snow bank, and see where it ends up.

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Lou

01-04-2006 09:51:27




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 03:59:51  
I posted up above, hope this makes sense. Talked to a supplier on phone just now, he said they can spread lime on top of snow. Wont it just wash away? My idea is to spread it in the spring and disk it in.



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Lou

01-04-2006 09:34:52




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 03:59:51  
Dave Im also from NY near watrertown, and also need lime this spring. Last spring when I called around to suppliers they were out of lime or had there trucks doing other hauling. One supplier said they brought out a spreader that they let you use. Your post reminded me to get started on this project early.



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tg in VA

01-04-2006 07:12:35




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 03:59:51  
I get my local farm supply to spread lime with their bulk truck. It is quick, not too much more than buying bagged lime and spreading it and there is no clean up. Before you invest in purchasing equipment, see what a farm supply store or fertilizer warehouse will charge to spread the lime you purchase from them. Our local Southern States also has a pull type bulk lime spreader they rent if you buy in bulk by the truck load. You need a loader to load it, however.

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Hugh MacKay

01-04-2006 05:07:43




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 03:59:51  
Dave: My farming days were spent farming on both sides of a limestone plant. Even though I was that close to the deposit, lime deposits in the rocky hills almost adjacant to my fields, yet none of it spilled over into the farmland around it. That farmland had a naturally low ph thus lime was necessary and in quite heavy applications.

They do dry lime for bagging and it is an expensive process. Dried lime will work well in Eeze Flow type spreaders. The only spreaders I know of that work well with bulk lime are the hopper type with endless belt bottom to deliver the lime to the spinners. Most of these were 10 to 12 feet long and about 6 to 7 feet wide at top. To be successful the belt had to be at least 3 feet wide, as bridging is a real problem with moist lime. I had one of these type spreaders on my farm and with a 50 hp tractor and good loader one could spread 300 to 400 ton per day. Skidsteers worked the best for loading as you could watch closely to see that you didn't pick up stones or sod. Care had to be exercised on where trucks dumped the lime. Stones were hard on the belt and as I recall in the 70s the belt for my spreader was $600. I did a lot of custom spreading, and because farmers and truckers wouldn't exercise care where dumping, we went to hauling the bulk lime on 40' flat bed trailers with 4' side boards. We hauled two 15 ton piles one on each end of trailer leaving space in center for skidsteer to start loading from. Bulk lime has to be kept moist to keep it on trucks for delivery. As you can see this is a high capital investment job best left to custom operators geared up for the job.

Since my farming days, I remember once going to lime plant with a light truck for 5 ton of dried lime in bulk to use around my new lot, and spread in an Eeze Flow. I saved the cost of bags and bagging, but then I spread lime all the way from lime plant to home, got saturated with lime shoveling it to the Eeze Flow. My good wife said my clothes were worse than when I had spread 400 ton of moist bulk lime in a day.

My advice is get a custom operator. If that is not an option I'll give you a tip on how my dad did it in the 50s. Fill the manure spreader about 2/3 with well rotted manure. Then depending on how much lime you wish to apply, shovel a 2" to 6" layer of lime on top of the manure. The manure spreader will do fine with the layer of manure on bottom. Keep the total load about 3" below top of side boards. Remember lime is much heavier than manure, the spreader will not stand large loads.

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Jimmy King

01-04-2006 17:07:34




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-04-2006 05:07:43  
That always fasinated me Hugh, we have limestone on the surface and on down. Some of the land my Dad, Granddad, and Uncle bought in the early 1940"s from the Ash Grove Lime Co. has an old quarry on it. The land needs lime constantly.



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hayray

01-04-2006 05:05:07




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 Re: Spreading bulk lime in reply to Dave from ny, 01-04-2006 03:59:51  
Dave, here in Michigan some of the elevators have the granulated calcitic lime that you spread in a normal fertilizer spreader and can have it mixed like normal with your fertilizer. Talk to an agronomist and get the low down on the concentration and so forth, I think 200 lb.s/acre may be equivalent to 1 ton of dolomitic ground rock lime, but I have heard so much here say about this lime. One extension agent told me that it still takes at least 6 months to still start breaking down but it will peak and degrade much quicker that bulk rock lime. May not be ideal but may be more practical if you are having trouble getting lime delivered and spread.

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