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Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth?

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Joe in IN

01-02-2006 20:55:09




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I live in Indiana. We got below 0 in December. My alfalfa field grew to about 14 inches after 4th cutting. With winter of course now this is dead and all brown.

Can I bushhog the field in say, early March to chop up this to improve first cutting quality? Or am I stuck with this dead fall regrowth in first cutting?




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Don-Wi

01-03-2006 20:14:09




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
Up here in Nort/East Wi, we leave it stand and don't touch it. As the others have said, it helps keep the roots alive. My understanding is that the roots still need some air over the winter months, and if it is cut really short and ice forms over the top of whats left of the plant, the plant will die. Most farmers, if they do take it off shortly befor the front, they will leave strips every few swaths to help catch the snow so it insulates the plant.

No snow is the biggest problem in our area, last year all the farmers took a huge hit of winter kill.Now 1st crop is going for around $120-150/ton compared to $80-120 last year. 2nd and 3rd is even more, probably hit over $200 by April. Donovan from Wisconsin

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tim[in]

01-03-2006 16:16:42




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
i never cut mine on my previos farm which was in se indianapolis and when i get established on my owen county farm , i wont mow it then either.save it for winter pasture after it has built up root reserves.and the reason most people dont like to buy first cutting is A. it has higher grass to legume ratio on first cutting and B. most believe that first cutting has less nutrition . some also believe just the opposite , that first cutting is the most nutritious.first definitely has more volume. kind of like the arguement on wether or not conditioning the hay to dry it faster. does losing the moisture{sap} which is nutrients lower the value.? which is more valueable the sap or the green color and/or getting it in before a light rain? and just how valueable is that green color. we know there is some vitamins in it. just seems to be one of those things with a lot of variables that you can debate forever.me , i'd leave and graze it.

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Hugh MacKay

01-03-2006 16:47:11




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to tim[in], 01-03-2006 16:16:42  
Tim: You are my proof that this is very geographic. If I grazed alfalfa on my farm the alfalfa would all be dead within one year. Two things you never allowed near an alfalfa field, mouth and a hoof, or a hoof with a mouth.

We could not graze it yet we had one of the highest dry matter yields of alfalfa per acre anywhere in North America. I could every year harvest more tons of dry matter per acre from alfalfa than corn silage, somewhere in the order of 10 tons per acre. Another interesting item on this, we never got those yields until we started growing corn in rotation with the alfalfa. 2 to 3 years corn then 4 years alfalfa. All manure had to go on the corn, manure on alfalfa was a nono in my neck of the woods. If I put manure on alfalfa, grasses native to the area would take right over and crowd the alfalfa out of existance.

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kyhayman

01-03-2006 14:21:10




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
Cows are eating mine now. Been on it since Dec 1. Coming off Jan 15 or sooner if it gets really muddy. Most years when we have normal rainfall I leave mine standing, I take of first cutting for round bale silage so it simply adds to the volume.



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paul

01-03-2006 09:10:27




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
Here in southern MN that would be an ideal growth to protect the field over winter, & snow would knock it down to nothing by spring. Never heard of anyone trying to mow it down, for what purpose? It would be gone around here.

Helps to know what your market is for the hay, what quality level you need.

--->Paul



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WyoDave

01-03-2006 08:32:51




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
Hugh is right on this one. Geography makes a huge difference. Around here after alfalfa has been done growing for about a month everyone puts up electic fences and moves in cattle. We pasture all our acres of alfalfa every year and it doesn"t seem to hurt the stand much. No expense in mowing and its cleaned off for next year, plus you utilize the feed.
David



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Hugh MacKay

01-03-2006 06:37:21




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
Joe: This is another one of these subjects that geography will dictate very different solutions for different geographic locations.

I farmed in an area where we often saw quite severe winter frost and often without snow cover. As Jimmy King suggested we all know you shouldn't mow alfalfa until 30 days after a killing frost. In my area we also liked to keep that dead growth as it protected the alfalfa roots from frost damage, if we did not have snow cover. That dead growth breaks down but factors like snow cover, changing temps, rainfall, etc. all affect the speed of decay.

My situation was such that I was feeding all the alfalfa to a bunch of holsteins, they needed a bit of fibre. In my home turf and climate with sub zero winters, this dead material was never a serious factor. I suspect the further south you are the less this dead material breaks down, thus it could become a serious problem in the first cut hay.

I once had a British immigrant farmer buy a farm in my neighbor hood. He was used to winters that hovered around the freezing mark with very little snow. He growled, man did he growl that first winter about our sub zero Canadian winters, and the volumes of snow. By the end of the third year he was telling me how lucky we were to have these severe winters. He said,"It kills pests, kills weeds, decays uncut vegetation much faster, thus recycles it much faster back into the nutrient chain.

This is definately one of these questions that requires solutions from very close to home.

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BobMo

01-03-2006 05:46:24




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
Don't run a bush hog over it. All you will do is leave trash in the field that will look worse in the hay than the wintered growth. Cut early or as soon as you have sufficient bottom growth to sustain the plant and sell to those who think �feed is just feed�. Feed ain't just feed and I'd like to see anyone�s cattle that think so.

What your talking about is the reason a lot of people don't like to buy 1st cutting. Knowledgeable buyers that are looking for good hay won't touch the stuff unless deeply discounted. Good luck

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Nebraska Cowman

01-03-2006 03:43:58




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
By the time a few snows knock it down I doubt you'll ever know it was there. Anyway, a little old growth with the new won't hurt anything, feed's feed.



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Jimmy King

01-02-2006 21:59:44




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
In MO. rule of thumb do not cut for 30 days before killing frost then cut or pasture. will not hurt to leave but if cutting with sicle mower or mower cond. will cause problems.



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JD9295

01-02-2006 21:37:02




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to Joe in IN, 01-02-2006 20:55:09  
Im in Ill and have been told both. I leave mine now, cut like your asking and alot died out. Dont know if it was from clipping it or what. When I asked 2 different crop advisors they both looked at it and one said it died from the clipping and the other said it just played out. I would say it would depend on the weather after the clipping and how long its been producing.



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KRUSS

01-04-2006 14:11:51




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 Re: Bushhog fall Alfalfa Growth? in reply to JD9295, 01-02-2006 21:37:02  
It makes good pasture and if the ground is frozen as it would be here the cattle don,t cut it up. Some alfalfa left standing to insure a good stand is desirable.



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