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Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wagon

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burnetma

12-19-2005 19:02:48




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I have been considering purchasing a NH self-loading bale wagon. The NH site only indicates that a 50 HP tractor is required.

What are the additional requirements for the 104-110 bale model? Hydraulic flow? Live hydraulics? Live PTO? ETC??

Realizing that I need at least 6000 lbs of tractor. I have been thinking of a JD 620 or 720 WFE. I have read that at least one individual uses a Farmall M/SM WFE. What are you using?

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kyhayman

12-21-2005 17:28:07




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
In a pinch I used my 1034 with a 801 Ford. PTO was adequate, and pulling was adequate, backing up was a challenge. We wont even talk about how much fun it is without power steering. Now I use a 7610 Ford with a creeper (12/3) transmission. Best tractor I ever used on it was a 1210 Case DB, 12/4 transmission had the perfect gears for stacking and unloading and weight/hp was perfect. I kept it years longer than I should have just for this purpose. No hydraulics needed as the bale wagon has a self contained system but I couldnt imagine using one without a live PTO.

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Cliff Neubauer

12-20-2005 15:44:28




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
We used to handle 10,000-14,000 bales a year with our NH 1034 bale wagon. We started out with it on our IH 706 LP but later moved it up to our 826. We have alot of very hilly hay ground and the 826 had enough more power and weight that it was a big improvement on the bale wagon.



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Colorado Curt

12-21-2005 11:57:40




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 12-20-2005 15:44:28  
Funny you should mention a 826. I just looked at one last weekend and thought it would be great on our NH1034. My 560 can really get pushed around by a full load. It is really more of a weight than horse power issue. Any other thoughts, good or bad, about the 826?



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Quebec Red

12-23-2005 18:29:19




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to Colorado Curt, 12-21-2005 11:57:40  
The 826 was based on the 856, but had a smaller motor,a German built 358 incher. These are excellent mills but are cold blooded. Most now are rebuilt with the high compression pistons which really help starting ability. These motors were used in the 3088 and the 3288 tractors as well as the 14 and 1620 combines. The 826 tractors have excellent economy and pull well. They tend to slobber oil out the exhaust on light work. A proper thermostat is required. Overall, a recommended unit. 92 PTO HP stock easy to add 20 morew. Ask this question at the Farmall board or at Redpower. QR

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burnetma

12-20-2005 13:50:45




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
This is the kind of information that I am looking for from this site. Thanks!

I am just totally unfamiliar with the equipment and this gives me a good starting place.

I have the plans drawn up to modify the barn for the load dump feature. I have the excavation plans for widening the roadway between the hay field and the barn. I have a baler that, operator willing, will make well formed bales for another couple of years before a new unit becomes desirable. I just had no idea on the real tractor requirements and nice to have features. I want to start looking for the correct tractor for this application, so that if it comes along, I can snatch it up.

Thanks again for the input so far and look forward to more.

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Dale in IN

12-20-2005 08:45:31




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
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Do You mean like this. I just sold this wagon about 2 weeks ago as I am quitting the business. As the others have said you will need one with some weight, a good heavy draw bar. a live PTO helps, good power steering at idle speed and a slow reverse. I pulled this one with a JD 730D. But was a little light on the fron end with no weights and a way to fast in reverse. I got along a lot better with the 1600 Oliver. This is a 1034. The bigger the wagon the bigger tractor you will need.

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burnetma

12-20-2005 13:43:05




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to Dale in IN, 12-20-2005 08:45:31  
Dale,
That is exactly what I am talking about and the type of information that I need. NOBODY in my immediate area uses one of these machines and I have never set eyes on one, so I was operating in a complete vacuum.

Great information regarding the SLOW reverse. I would not have realized this was an issue without that input. Interesting that a JD730D is geared too tall in reverse. I also never considered an Oliver... I usually think IH or Deere, but why not? I know they are a very solid machine. Now it makes me think of a Minnie Mo also.

Thanks for the input!

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burnetma

12-20-2005 13:33:48




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to Dale in IN, 12-20-2005 08:45:31  
Dale,
That is exactly what I am talking about and the type of information that I need. NOBODY in my immediate area uses one of these machines and I have never set eyes on one, so I was operating in a complete vacuum.

Great information regarding the SLOW reverse. I would not have realized this was an issue without that input. Interesting that a JD730D is geared too tall in reverse. I also never considered an Oliver... I usually think IH or Deere, but why not? I know they are a very solid machine. Now it makes me think of a Minnie Mo also.

Thanks for the input!

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Colorado Curt

12-20-2005 07:08:25




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
We pull a NH1034 with a Oliver 1650 or a Farmall 560. Live PTO would be nice. I chain up the two point draw bar on the 560 because the wagon gets real hitch heavy when fully loaded. Speaking of heavy, a full load will really push you around on hills. You need good brakes and tires. Not much horse power is needed to operate wagon, just to move it and stop it.



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burnetma

12-20-2005 13:44:54




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to Colorado Curt, 12-20-2005 07:08:25  
More great information!



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Larry48

12-20-2005 03:19:04




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
I've got a 1030 NH bale wagon, 70 bales without ties. I load 68 bales, tying tiers 3 and 6--losing one bale @ each tie--I use a flat tie. My bales are heavy...alfalfa around 85 to 90 pounds and grass hay about 75 to 80. My D17 handles it in good shape, before I had the D17 I used a D14, but it was really too light, but it worked. I have put my 4020 on it and it actually has enough more tractor weight and the live power makes it more operator friendly. I used the D17 mostly, and I've got to where I really like it on the bale wagon. I've got a neighbor that has a 105 capacity bale wagon and pulls it with a D17...and they put up alot of hay. In a perfect world, I'd like to have a 3020 JD to pull mine with, but I'm quite happy with my D17, maybe its just because I really like the tractor!! Do what the other guy suggest and call Roder Implement, they are great people and can answer anything you'd ask.

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N. TX Tim

12-19-2005 20:47:07




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
Look up Roeder Implement on the net...think their website is roederimp.com They specialize in bale wagons and have all the specs on their website...as far as tractor requirements, bale capacities, building height requirements etc. If all the info is not on their site, you could most likely call them as well.

Good Luck...wish I had one...but would need a bigger building FIRST!

Tim



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burnetma

12-21-2005 16:04:20




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to N. TX Tim, 12-19-2005 20:47:07  
Tim,

I just spent the last 20 minutes at Roeder"s site. Honest to goodness that is the most helpful site that I have ever seen. I am now convinced that this is the only way to go if I am going to continue to do this as a one-man operation. I am actually a little bit excited. The prices on the available machines at Roeder"s seem very reasonable. The down-side will be shipping all the way from Kansas to upstate New York, but their prices are half the price of the nearest dealer with a bale wagon in inventory. Also got some good ideas for modification of the hay barn. That site really helped. Thanks again to all of you.

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WyoDave

12-19-2005 20:30:21




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
Since you're referring to the NH site I'll asume you're talking about the only one being currently made which is the 1037. We have one. They don't take any hydraulic functions from the tractor. The machine is ran by a self contained hydraulic system mounted on the balewagon that is powered by the tractors PTO. Therefore hydraulics are not necessary, but a live PTO is almost a must. Some of the older ones might require tractor hydraulics I don't know I've never been around one that did though. Like previously mentioned pulling the machine takes little power, but they are heavy and the more power you have to push your stacks together with the better your results will be to a point. We use a Deere 4240 because it handles it with no trouble and has AC. 50 hp might run the machine, but a little extra will go a long ways. My dad pulled a two wide with a 720D for his first balewagon.
David

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BobMo

12-19-2005 19:48:04




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
You didn't say what you may be planning to buy because there is a big difference. Some have independent hydraulic drives and some don't. Some use tractor hydraulics some don't. Some are self propelled. If your baler doesn't bale good tight bales it'll drive you nuts and your stacks won't be any good.
Horsepower isn't as important as weight. These are heavy loaded and difficult to back with a light tractor. As stated tongue weight is tremendous.
Unless you are near the barn or going to stack in the field it won't save much sweat. You can however clear the field fast if you have a way to unload. If you find something available and know what model it is then ask the question and we can be more specific with answers. Good luck

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Tom from Ontario

12-19-2005 19:14:45




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to burnetma, 12-19-2005 19:02:48  
I used to use a D-17 Allis on a model 1012 56 bale wagon. Tractor handled it very well, particularly with the hand clutch as could drive standing. However, the tongue weight was a monster, and every time the second table tripped, the tractor drawbar could be seen to flex. I would suggest if you are going up to the three wide wagon, make sure there is extra support under the drawbar and don't go fast enough on a bumpy field to make the whole wagon bounce.
Good Luck, they save a ton of sweat.

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KRUSS

12-21-2005 15:43:15




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 Re: Tractor requirements for NH automatic bale wag in reply to Tom from Ontario, 12-19-2005 19:14:45  
We used a 730 Case O Matic on a 1033 for years. Had lots of weight on the drawbar, so reinforced it. The 730 was fast on the road, relatively smooth to ride, only a little ways from seat to ground plus slow and gentle in reverse. Come to think of it bale picking and pulling a stone boat was about all that 730 excelled at.



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