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Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats?

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Grantc

12-19-2005 09:57:34




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Hi,
I was wondering if you could help me?
I just bought an IH82 pull type combine with a pickup head and I would like to harvest my 10 acres of oats with it.
Can I use my JD 1219 mower conditioner to swath the oats? Do I need to adjust the rollers out so they won't rip the heads off the oats? or will it help in drying? Will the mowerconditioner just leave to tangled a windrow that the combine will get plugged?
Thank you for your help and oppinions,
Grant

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Don-Wi

12-20-2005 19:42:24




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
I'd have to go with the others on this. We use our NI 292 mow/ditioner for oat bales and oatlage, and for that it works alright without much grain loss, but if it were ripe I'd hate to see how much was lost due to being crushed and/or on the ground. We borrow the neighbor's SP JD swather to cut it. If we don't the rest of what's left chokes out the alfalfa planted with it. Causes he!! with the guy's combine also if it's too green. (busted a belt that cost more than what it costs us to have him run our 5-15 acres) Nothing we could help and he just ate the cost, but we try to do them and us both a favor and just swath it.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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JMS/MN

12-20-2005 08:16:09




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
Depends on the machine- I don't know about the JD, but I used my NI 5209 a couple times for barley. Need to cut it a bit early or grain loss is excessive, also cut only with dew on the crop. 5209 can be adjusted for cutting grain by loosenening springs inside the machine, holding the rolls op. Windrow formed was fine. Same can be done with the Hesston center pivot made years ago. But a swather is still a better solution.

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Sid

12-19-2005 20:31:13




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
I have used A MoCo for barley once. I have used one several time on Clover. It may not be the best but it worked. If I were to try it on oats I would cut early in the morning. When I cut clover I quit when the dew is gone. I used a bar rake one time and it twisted and caused trouble with the combine. I would see a slug and stop but it would usually pull it right on through anyway and plug the combine. I wouldn't say it can't be done and would be willing to try it on oats if nothing else was available.

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paul

12-19-2005 19:02:31




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
I've cut oats for hay with the 1209. When the rains come, sometimes you get into the milky head stage. Leaves the moco sticky white when you are done, crushes the seeds, rips a lot off. :)

Sometimes I cut the oats regrowth in fall, with plowdown under it. This oats is very light weight, but mature. About shatters all the heads.

If you block the rolls open, then how do you get the windrow? The rolls are what speed up the stems, slam them into the back & make them fall into a windrow.

Can't see how you can set the machine to make it work out - not shatter the grain, but make a windrow.

For the oats to dry, it should be in a nice drapper formed windrow. The cut stems down, form a shelf for th next heads to fall on. Heads up, stems down, neat fan pattern.

A mo/co is just piling the material in back, it will not be laid out to dry the heads, protect them. A mo/co actually would kinda lay the stems sideways, with the heads burried in the middle. Be the worst for the grain, esp if you catch a rain. Need the heads out on top.

I combine a lot of oats, and used to combine wheat & rye. Here in MN we windrow it all the time.

I would not be happy trying to pick up whatever a mo/co created.

JIMHO

--->Paul

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Seth_ia

12-19-2005 18:16:50




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
You have to block the rolls apart, or you"ll do too much damage. Have seen it done , but don"t know if I would do it.



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Seth_ia

12-19-2005 18:16:37




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
You have to block the rolls apart, or you"ll do too much damage. Have seen it done , but don"t know if I would do it.



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BobMo

12-19-2005 13:34:59




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
Grant, personally I wouldn't do it. Oats don't shell out as easy as wheat or barley but I'd be afraid that if you cut them early enough to run through the cutter well they'd still be soft enough to damage the grain.
I think you'd be better off with a sickle bar and a roll-a-bar rake. Good luck, maybe you can prove us all wrong.....



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Tim(nj)

12-19-2005 12:38:00




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
Oats are direct cut here, but sometimes green weeds are a problem. I thought about getting a dummy head with pickup for my Gleaner K2 out of Minnesota and using a JD 1209 with bad rollers to swath them first. Before I went and bought a head, I tried the old 1209 in some oats this summer, making one pass to see what it would do. It didn"t lay the heads all in one direction, which might be a problem for combining. There was some grain loss (it would be tolerable in a pinch on a few acres, but the amount of loss would be unbearable as the acres added up. I"m still thinking about swathing, but I"d have to find swather to bring here with the dummy head, and I"ve got enough stuff to maintain already . . . .

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Allan in NE

12-19-2005 10:02:47




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
Boy, I dunno Grant,

Think I'd be looking for a neighbor who has a draper type swather.

Can't imagine using a crimper on oats that are just about ripe fer the combine.

Allan



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Andrew from KY

12-19-2005 10:02:23




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Grantc, 12-19-2005 09:57:34  
I don't know anything about oats and how they are harvested, but if you ran them through a MoCo wouldn't you run the risk of shattering the seed from the head when it runs through the rollers?



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KRUSS

12-19-2005 13:32:22




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 Re: Can I use a Mo/Co as a swather for oats? in reply to Andrew from KY, 12-19-2005 10:02:23  
Half your oats will be on the ground if cut at normal time with a MoCo.



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