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O/T Treating Scours in Calves

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Michael Soldan

12-10-2005 18:39:49




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I have an Angus calf that is scouring, about 400lbs, still on the cow. What is the best resolve? I was wondering about weaning him off right away..anything to give him to stop the problem?....Mike in Exeter Ontario




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CEB

12-12-2005 05:47:25




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
Mike,

I'd have to go with the Nebraska Cowman on this one. I've raised a lot of calves over the years and never had a 400 pound calf with scours. By the time they get to that size they should be eating a fair amount of hay, thus eliminating the possibility of milk scours. I think you've got something else there. I would call the vet ASAP if it were my calf. With the price of calves nowadays you can't afford to lose one.

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Bob/wis

12-11-2005 20:07:56




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
Michael, Just curios what has the weather in your area been? Cold damp weather can bring on scours in claves that age. Also pneumonia can cause scours. Sometimes they do not show any signs of it tell they start coughing real bad with alot on nassel discharge. The one gentleman suggested a sulfa based tablet. That will help with pneumonia. I use a bolus called Sustan 3. It is a time released over 3 days. If you need more ideas feel free to email me. I am a small dairy farmer that has seen and treated about all scours out there. Our worst case was last year with cryotosporidia. That stuff is just plump nasty. Contrary to what most vets will say it is very treatable. We lost 17 claves from 2 days old too 1 month. Fine one day sick the next died the next morn. They would get over it but would be so dehydrated they would not be able to absorb fluid. So, they would die. If anyone that is reading this wants to contact me about raiseing calves , feel free to.
Tell last winter I would only have 1 to 2 claves die a year if they was born alive. This is freashing about 75 head a year.
I hope I can help
Bob/wis

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Case Lady

12-11-2005 19:22:59




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
Gatorade - you might have to tube the calf to get this down it. Also, if you have some powdered colostrum, mix some of this in with the gatorade - this will help the digestive system get back on track and will help the immune system straighten back out. If none of the others come down with this, take a look around to see if perhaps, the calf got something to eat that didn't agree with it. As long as there is no blood in the output, you should be okay. Also, pretty well any of the otc stuff that humans take for upset stomach can be used in calves, just double the dose for a day and wait to see if this helps clear things up. Don't administer otc stuff for more than a day or you could send the calf to the other end of the spectrum....

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kyhayman

12-11-2005 16:24:34




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
There is a blue colored sulfamethiozine bolus (Nordon) that I really like. Had very good success treating scours in calves that were still standing. Color of scour is important, and consistencey.

A thin watery scour could be salmonella. There are some tough, antibiotic resistant strains out there. Last time I had an outbreak of it, the strain I had was antibiotic resistant (all major antibiotics).

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Michael Soldan

12-11-2005 11:21:01




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
In answer to some of your questions, this calf was just noticed scouring yesterday, Saturday Dec 10, there has been no change in the way they are fed, this crop of calves stick sucking, fed hay, straw beded daily...no other calves with any symptoms 16 in the same cattle shed w/mothers...this morning the calf seemed active, ate hay..didn't see any bowel movement to know if there is improvement..will keep a close eye and get some electrolites from the vet...thanks everyone...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Michael Soldan

12-11-2005 11:23:17




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-11-2005 11:21:01  
sorry I forgot to mention...no blood in the scouring that I could see, but a foul odour...Mike



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BobHnwOh

12-11-2005 05:44:46




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
Apple Cider Vinegar!!



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nwb

12-11-2005 10:53:48




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to BobHnwOh, 12-11-2005 05:44:46  
Please give some more details on the vinegar. I'm always intrested in home remedies.



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BobHnwOh

12-11-2005 15:21:33




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to nwb, 12-11-2005 10:53:48  
Apple Cider Vinegar is very good for intestinal problems,I used it to clear up colitis one time,will clear up mastitus"sp"in milk cows,put a couple tbl. spoons full on their feed,they love the taste,HTH,Bob.



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nwb

12-13-2005 15:23:30




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to BobHnwOh, 12-11-2005 15:21:33  
Thank-you.



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punchie

12-11-2005 04:02:35




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
I would get some PEPTIO (SP) . and give it to him. But if he doen't clear up fast it maybe winter dysentery, or something worse. Make sure he is the only one sick and clean out any barn shield etc. he maybe have been in. If still sick in 12-48 hours I would get a Vet or at least get him some antiboic if there is blood in the stool.
Teddy



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Nebraska Cowman

12-11-2005 03:45:23




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
400 pounds? How long has he been this way? I don't think it is caused by milk. Either he ate something that didn't agree with him and he'll get over it or you are looking at some other upset, maybe coccidiosis? is there blood in his feces?



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JD9295

12-10-2005 20:35:59




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
The old timer remedy, sounds funny, but works. Egg yolks and gin mixed together and tube in. I tried it on a calf once. Grandpa told me of how they used that when he was younger so i thought i would try it before dumping alot of money in the calf. Beleive it or not she came around and made a nice brood cow.



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mark

12-11-2005 21:00:38




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to JD9295, 12-10-2005 20:35:59  
Hmmm,

sounds like good homemade egg nog to me!



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TGIN

12-11-2005 03:30:10




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to JD9295, 12-10-2005 20:35:59  
Always used eggs for bottle calves and it worked , Never heard about the gin .



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4010guy

12-11-2005 07:34:52




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 Re: O/T Treating Scours in Calves in reply to TGIN, 12-11-2005 03:30:10  
eggs you say,I had almost forgot about it but when i was very young i had a bottel calf and i would go out in the praire and steel duck eggs(dout tell the warden about this now,ha!)and mix them with his milk, my what a beuteful coat that littel calf got after awile



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Dick L

12-10-2005 19:01:39




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 This Might Give Ya A Headsup in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-10-2005 18:39:49  
There are other sites



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Dick L

12-10-2005 19:06:31




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 Nuther Link in reply to Dick L, 12-10-2005 19:01:39  
That might help.



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Dick L

12-10-2005 19:14:03




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 From Another Site in reply to Dick L, 12-10-2005 19:06:31  
How do I treat calf scours?
The immediate treatment and most important is to administer fluids, electrolytes and energy. Fluid is essential, but the fluid cannot be absorbed from the gut unless it contains electrolytes (salts) in proper proportions. Scouring calves should receive at least 10% of body weight of fluids and electrolytes is scouring is mild, and more if it is severe. Use a high quality electrolyte mixture administered with a stomach tube, twice daily. Don"t mix the fluid and electrolytes with milk, as it will cause the milk to curdle and be of no benefit. Consult with a veterinarian on whether to use antibiotics, as some antibiotics can increase the severity of scours, and can cause muscle damage.

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workhorse

12-11-2005 09:18:31




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 Re: From Another Site in reply to Dick L, 12-10-2005 19:14:03  
gateraid is a good source for electrolytes



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