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BobMo

12-07-2005 19:13:51

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I'm considering the purchase of a new baler and narrowed my search to the following 2. Both are available from the same dealer. Neither with hydraulic bale compression. 1) NH 570 $14,000
2) New Idea 7210 centerline $13,000
The basic problem with the NI is that it will take some major modifications to attach my accumulator. I'm also concerned about clearance if you have large windrows.
Do any of you use these balers and if so do you like their performance?
I have NH 315 that does a good job but would like larger capicity.

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hayray

12-11-2005 07:23:31

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to BobMo, 12-07-2005 19:13:51

I have had in-lines for over a dozen years and stayed with them because of the consistency of the bale. I haul small loads all winter and the uniform bales always make stacking more secure. With in-lines always get a uniform bale no matter what ground speed or size of wind-row, I rarely ever see a deere or NH in my area that can make a bale like mine. The limiting factor is the low profile pick-up, but the advantage is the leaf retentionl, especially in alfalfa. They are a real bear to un-plug if you break the flywheel shear bolt, the pick-up is also shear bolt protected and is much easier to un-clog. I still bale an average of 280 bales an hour using 3 bale baskets that you have to get on and off the tractor and hook up a empty wagon every 95 bales, on the ground it is easy to dump 400 bales per hour and tie a knot every 4 seconds. All in-lines are Hesston made and exactly the same, just different paint. Agco even makes a Massey Ferguson model now.

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Hayman

12-09-2005 00:42:06

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to BobMo, 12-07-2005 19:13:51

BobMo,

All balers are only as good as the operator running them!

I've heard guys love or hate all colors.

As for the Inline I have heard good things about them. Only draw back might be getting used to the inline design as its farther to twist the old neck! Also it seems capacity might be an issue. But I'm sure it would be more than the 315. One complaint the neighbor did say is something about unplugging it and changing shear pins is more time consuming compared to the JD/NH's.

The NH 570 is like the 575 basically just the 575 has the wider pickup area. Again I've heard great reviews regarding them. They sell alot of them so they must work.

I baled over 40,000 bales this year with balers most wouldn't even concider using anymore! I have 3 NH balers one 320 and two 278's. I have no problem picking bales behind them with the NH balewagon. Like others have mentioned it all comes down to how they're set and how they're run. I've been tempted to up grade a baler to a NH575 due to the better feeder system and fewer moving parts. One day I'm sure I will but for now my old ones seem to do the job.

Heck balers are a minor part of haying its the weather I have problems with!!!!! !!!!

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Hayman

12-09-2005 00:39:14

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to BobMo, 12-07-2005 19:13:51

BobMo,

All balers are only as good as the operator running them!

I've heard guys love or hate all colors.

The NH 570 is like the 575 basically just the 575 has the wider pickup area. Again I've heard great reviews regarding them. They sell alot of them so they must work.

Heck balers are a minor part of haying its the weather I have problems with!!!!! !!!!

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Seth_ia

12-08-2005 08:30:36

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to BobMo, 12-07-2005 19:13:51

After running a Hesston big square baler, I would buy a hesston small square baler, if I ever buy another small baler. The Hesston (and I think new idea) have a precharge chanmber. This insures that the bale comes out fully formed and tight. Inline balers are much easier to drive in my opinion.

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RickL

12-08-2005 07:53:41

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to BobMo, 12-07-2005 19:13:51

Bob I went from green paint to red paint and it is different. I had a 327 Deere bale and it would make very uniform bales period. I am running now a New Holland 570 with all options as that what was on it when I found the unit. The first year I had a real problem of it making uniform bales,I have even added the bale chamber extension on it. Finally figured out that you need large windrows and really creep for it to do its thing. It will bale faster but when you jump up as gear it also makes bales little longer etc. I run accumulator alos and when I do that then it is aff by that much also. So you need to set the thing accordingly. I now have my accumulator rigged up now so I can very as much as eight inchesd and still keeep right on baling. Give me a ring and I can give you alot more hints on that baler. The hyd tension option is on mine and it is not worth buying extra. I does not make any better or more uniform bales than the hand cranks do, actually I would just as soon have the hand cranks. What accumulator do you run. to me the JD makes a more uniform bale,but in straw the limiting factor is the auger feed. The 570 feed system is way more aggressive than the deere period. The faster stroke balers also don't like tough hay as it will pop the shear pins. My old deere would eat anything,hardly ever shear pins. I have never had a 348 yet tho to compare. I fogured it was due to the higher stokes causeing that problem. give me a call 319-257-6764

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BobMo

12-08-2005 13:52:12

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to RickL, 12-08-2005 07:53:41

Thanks Rick, I've sure gotten some good information here. I'll be in touch.....

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onefarmer

12-07-2005 20:29:12

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to BobMo, 12-07-2005 19:13:51

I've run a NH 570 for about 10 yrs. With a balewagon. Excellant machine, just make about 15 or more pressings per bale and it will be very concistant. I keep it between 14-20. Been very happy with it no issues at all.

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onefarmer

12-07-2005 20:26:06

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Jonfarmer

12-07-2005 20:21:24

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to BobMo, 12-07-2005 19:13:51

a NH 315 as I recall isn't exactly a small baler, so I really wouldn't think a 570 would do much better as thats the next size up from the smallest they make. If speed and capacity is what you want, then I'd look at a 575, there is also a model 580, but that makes a 2" wider bale.

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WyoDave

12-07-2005 19:50:02

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to BobMo, 12-07-2005 19:13:51

Last summer we were in the market for a new baler. We'd been running JD 348 and thought we'd check out the competition's balers before buying another one. We demoed the 570 on 20 acres one morning and than a Hesston inline (4590?) for 20 acres another morning. And compared them to our JD 348 balers. We mounted them both on JD 4040 tractors so it'd be equal. The hesston while not a new idea should be rather simmilar. The 570 would bale with the 348's, but the person running the bale wagon just didn't like them. They weren't as consistent which causes you to be on and off the tractor when stacking. Otherwise it seemed to be a good baler. The inline baler had to run on average a gear slower and it was hard on a person to keep turning around to see the pickup. Otherwise it seemed to make nice bales. In the end we went the 348 baler as it seemed to make the best bales with the best capacity. If you aren't using a balewagon I would choose the 570. I just wasn't overly impressed with the capacity of the inline baler. Maybe a New Idea has more capacity than the Hesston, but I doubt it. That's just my opinion though. Anyways we're going to be looking for a couple new balers here again this year and are going to stay with Deere balers. That however is just one simple farmer's opinion.
David

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BobMo

12-08-2005 05:30:31

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to WyoDave, 12-07-2005 19:50:02

Dave, I'm sure your right. I think the Hesston and New Idea are made in the same plant. Thanks for the input. I know you guys put up a lot of hay out there and since I do it all myself what ever is easiest works best.

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WyoDave

12-08-2005 05:33:56

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Re: New Baler Choices in reply to BobMo, 12-08-2005 05:30:31

I thought they might be closely related. Remember we put up 110,000 bales last year so largest capacity and consistency are our foccus. I think either of those balers would do a great job if you weren't demanding quite as much from them.
David

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WILLY p

12-08-2005 06:10:41

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WyoDave? in reply to WyoDave, 12-08-2005 05:33:56

What do you do with all that many square bales? I am sure that it is alfalfa,ya'll like the small better than the large squares?

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WyoDave

12-08-2005 06:18:31

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Re: WyoDave? in reply to WILLY p, 12-08-2005 06:10:41

Some is alfalfa, some straight grass, and some alfalfa/grass mix. We're pretty much the only operation left in the area that still uses small bales. Everyone else switched gears and went to large bales for convenience which we had planned on doing, but since everyone else quite we find our demand just keeps going up. We sell all the good quality hay in semi-load (20 ton) lots to various places and than feed the poorer hay to our 200 head cow/calf operation. The feeding is kind of a pain and we'd rather have large round bales for that, but the premium we get for selling the small bales makes up for it. Sometimes people buy just one load other people will buy 1000 tons. Our hay has ended up in every region of the United States and several countries.
David

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BobMo

12-08-2005 14:13:52

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Re: WyoDave? in reply to WyoDave, 12-08-2005 06:18:31

Dave, I have to agree with you on the square bales. Here in this area people can't handle large square bales and 80% of mine goes to horse people. Some dairy farmers buy small squares for calves and other sick or wounded cattle. Sheep & goats take the rest.
500 bales is a good sale for me but I'll sell to them if they want 3-4 bales and some people do.
My hay is Brome & Alfalfa and I have a field of Orchard grass & Alfalfa. Usually about 10,000 + or - bales annually. The only hay that I keep for my use is any that may get rained on as I don't sell it if its been wet. The amount of hay I have at the end of haying season will determine the number of back grounders I buy. My biggest bottle neck was cutting but I cured that with a NH 1495. The new baler isn't a must but will speed things up as I like to get it in the barn the same day its baled. I know you don't have that problem.
Thanks for your help. Bob

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