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city farmer

11-09-2005 16:46:45




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IF A GRAVITY WAGEN HOLDES 200 BUSHEL OF GRAIN CORN @ 56 LB/BU HOW MUCH EAR CORN WILL IT HOLD @ 70 LB/BU APPROX PRICE PER TON $65-$90




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Lee in Iowa

11-15-2005 20:14:28




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
A bushel of ear corn does not weigh 70 pounds. It takes 70 pounds of ear corn to make one bushel of shell corn when shelled. If you weigh the load and divide by 70 you will get the approximate bushels of shell corn that the load would shell out. The rule of thumb has always been that it took two bushel of ear corn to yield one bushel of shell corn when shelled. A ton of ear corn would have 1600 lbs of shell corn and 400 lbs of cobs. 1600 lbs of corn would be worth $42.85 with corn at $1.50/bushel so your value for ear corn depends on how much value you put on the cobs.

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Jerry D in NC

11-11-2005 19:32:11




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
I am not trying to sound like a smartaleck but if it holds 200 bushels of shelled corn it should hold 200 bushels of ear corn as both require the same unit of volumetric space. Yes I understand the weight per bushel measurement system but still believe that a bushel of anything is the same size as a bushel of anything else.

A bushel is a bushel and it contains 4 pecks or 2219.3 cubic inches...

I think your numbers are for the amount of shelled corn that are on the cob. If you have a similar volume measurement then a bushel of ear corn will weigh less than a bushel of shelled corn.

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Tim(nj)

11-12-2005 14:49:29




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 Re: ear corn in reply to Jerry D in NC, 11-11-2005 19:32:11  
70 lbs of ear corn will yield 56 lbs of shelled corn. That formula was developed to estimate what was in the crib during the days when ear corn was shelled out of the crib and then sold, before field shelling and drying became popular. 200 bushels is indeed 200 bushels as far as volume goes. Here, convention is to sell ear corn by the ton (or pound if in bags). This accounts for variation in density. Some ear corn may have more shelled corn mixed with it than others, giving you a heavier weight per cubic foot. Excessive amounts of husks or other trash also affects your weight per cubic foot.

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JoeinMO

11-10-2005 18:44:47




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
I have sold enough shelled and ear corn to know that (by weight - which is how most is sold) a wagon that holds 200 bu of shelled corn will hold around half that much (100 bu) ear corn. I agree with Delbert from Lincoln.



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Delbert from Lincoln

11-10-2005 14:13:06




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
I grew up on a farm a long time ago. Lots of things were sold by the wagon load, or sometimes how deep grain was when leveled off in a wagon box. I don"t remember the dimensions of a straight sided wagon box, but it was 2 boards high. The bottom board was 13 inches, the top board was 12 inches. According to my dad, that old wood wheeled wagon (similiar to what you see in reruns of little house on the prarie) held 25 bushels of ear corn with the load leveled off. It held 50 bushels of shelled corn, wheat, oats, barley etc leveled off. Grain was often bought or sold by leveling it off in the wagon box and measuring how deep it was. Sure beat drivng a team 5 or 6 miles to town to a scale, and then home again. Doubt this helps any, what you want to know, but thats the way things were done 50 or 60 or 70 years ago.

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paul

11-10-2005 11:46:22




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
As you can see, there is a lot of variation in this. :)

Corn is supposed to be sold by volume, a bu.

However, most weigh the load, and convert it to a 'standard' bu, which is 56 lbs of shell corn, at good test weight (54 lb or better), at 14.5% moisture (sometimes 15, sometimes 15.5%).

Ear corn is figured the same, but at 70lbs per bu to make up for the weight of cobs to get back to the 56 lb bu. However, ear corn really isn't figured out by the volume so well. It depends a lot on the settling and such, size of the ears, how full the ears are, etc.

So, are you starting from selling this corn by weight, or by volume?

When I put shell corn on my 210 bu gravity box, with wet 22% moisture shell corn, 52# test weight, it figures out to 180 bu of 'real' corn if I'm lucky - and that is peaked pretty high, as the damp corn stacks higher.

With 15% moisture, 60lb test weight shell corn, it will figure out to 225bu per wagon sometimes.

Yet, both loads of ear corn are, by _volume_, a 210 bu load..... ... Big difference on actual, weighed corn vs the 'bu' of corn....

Ear corn is just the same, there is a lot of variation depending on the quality of the corn.

Not sure I answered any questions, but probably gave you more to consider as you try to value a product sold by volume, but priced on a weight/quality basis..... Very hard to make it a level playing field.

--->Paul

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paul

11-10-2005 11:46:10




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
As you can see, there is a lot of variation in this. :)

Corn is supposed to be sold by volume, a bu.

However, most weigh the load, and convert it to a 'standard' bu, which is 56 lbs of shell corn, at good test weight (54 lb or better), at 14.5% moisture (sometimes 15, sometimes 15.5%).

Ear corn is figured the same, but at 70lbs per bu to make up for the weight of cobs to get back to the 56 lb bu. However, ear corn really isn't figured out by the volume so well. It depends a lot on the settling and such, size of the ears, how full the ears are, etc.

So, are you starting from selling this corn by weight, or by volume?

When I put shell corn on my 210 bu gravity box, with wet 22% moisture shell corn, 52# test weight, it figures out to 180 bu of 'real' corn if I'm lucky - and that is peaked pretty high, as the damp corn stacks higher.

With 15% moisture, 60lb test weight shell corn, it will figure out to 225bu per wagon sometimes.

Yet, both loads of ear corn are, by _volume_, a 210 bu load..... ... Big difference on actual, weighed corn vs the 'bu' of corn....

Ear corn is just the same, there is a lot of variation depending on the quality of the corn.

Not sure I answered any questions, but probably gave you more to consider as you try to value a product sold by volume, but priced on a weight/quality basis..... Very hard to make it a level playing field.

--->Paul

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wilman

11-10-2005 08:03:59




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
If a wagon holds 200 bushel of shelled corn it will hold 160 bushel of ear corn. You are talking about a specific volume in a container that will hold a specific weight. Standard ear corn weight is 70 lbs/ bushel. Standard shelled corn weight is 56 lbs/bushel. 200 bushel of shelled corn weighs 11,200 lbs. Divide the 11,200 by 70 and you get 160 bushel.

Wil



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JMS/MN

11-10-2005 07:34:00




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
Dry ear corn is figured at 70 lbs per bushel. Dry shelled corn is figured at 56 lbs per bushel. Bushel is a unit of volume. Volume times .8 equals bushels. Volume divided by 1.2 equals bushels.



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punchie

11-10-2005 10:27:04




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 Re: ear corn in reply to JMS/MN, 11-10-2005 07:34:00  
I'll add a bushel is 1.24 cu. ft.



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Myrl (PA)

11-10-2005 04:50:50




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
A bushel of ear corn is app 35 pound. a bushel is a volume measerment not weight. it takes two bushel of ear corn to shell out one bushel of shelled. if the bin wagon holds 200 bushel of shelled it will hold 200 bushel of ear. 200 X 56 = 11200 pound or app 5 1/2 ton 200 X 35 = 7000 pound or app 3 1/2 ton Hope this helps



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Punchie

11-10-2005 10:30:03




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 Re: ear corn in reply to Myrl (PA), 11-10-2005 04:50:50  
I think your right on, I was going to type, a bushel of ear corn was 35.



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John51

11-09-2005 18:15:20




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
About 4 tons of ear corn, more or less. Depends on how full (you can round it up more than shelled corn) and moisture content.



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no.2

11-09-2005 17:37:23




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
I"ve been told 1 bu. of shelled corn= 1.25 cu. ft., 1 bu of ear corn =2.50 cu. ft.. Moisture and test weight will factor into that and change things a little bit.



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no.2

11-09-2005 17:36:49




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 Re: ear corn in reply to city farmer, 11-09-2005 16:46:45  
I"ve been told 1 bu. of shelled corn= 1.25 cu. ft., 1 bu of ear corn =2.50 cu. ft.. Moisture and test weight will factor into that and change things a little bit.



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edchainsaw

11-12-2005 18:04:24




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 Re: ear corn in reply to no.2, 11-09-2005 17:36:49  
#2 I think your the right one here

as a child looking in my grampa's old farm books it showed pictures of bushel baskets.
and the bushel basket of ear corn was bigger than the one for shelled corn.

and later at a sale I was at this old gent had a dozen BIG baskets ... I ask someone there and they (beeing old men) told me those were EARCORN bushel baskets seams the owner at one time ran a mill and sold feed.. messured his sales bye GOV. BUSHEL baskets.

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